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SAN FRANCISCO: No signs posted on eve of outdoor smoking ban
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/25/5 | Charlie Goodyear

Posted on 06/25/2005 9:41:53 AM PDT by SmithL

With a law barring smokers from lighting up in nearly all city-run open spaces in San Francisco scheduled to take effect next Friday, "No Smoking" signs have yet to be posted, raising questions about how well the ban will be enforced.

Six months ago, the Board of Supervisors passed what is believed to be the most comprehensive outdoor smoking ban in the country. The ban covers parks, squares, gardens and playing fields under city jurisdiction. First offenders could be slapped with a $100 fine issued by a police officer or member of the city's park patrol.

At the time the legislation was passed, city officials estimated that more than 1,000 signs might need to be posted at hundreds of locations around San Francisco. But so far, the Recreation and Park Department has not budgeted any funds for the new signs, according to Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who sponsored the legislation creating the ban.

And department officials conceded last week that they haven't even created a mock-up of a sign that would alert residents to the new ordinance.

"That's an outrage,'' Alioto-Pier said, adding that she had written Yomi Agunbiade, the department's acting general manager, a letter about the issue. "They're supposed to be implementing this next week. It's wholly irresponsible. "

The signs are important because city officials are hoping that peer pressure will do more than ticket-writing police officers can in curbing smoking -- and the littering of cigarette butts -- at city parks. But without the law clearly posted, civic-minded citizens might find it hard telling scofflaw smokers to "put it out."

"I think it's fair to say it's going to be a slow rollout,''

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: heresyoursign; nosmoking; pufflist; signssigns
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To: exnavychick

Ditto to your entire post.


41 posted on 06/25/2005 12:14:20 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: metesky
Pressure must be applied at the state level now if anyone's property is to remain safe.

I totally agree. Someone was complaining on one of the numerous threads about the decision that it shouldn't be our job to to see that changes are made.

I beg to differ - it is absolutely OUR job and duty as American's to do just that.

As far as I am concerned I lay much of the blame for situations such that led to this horrible decision squarely at the feet of the antis by changing the definition of "public places" to include private property.

42 posted on 06/25/2005 12:15:36 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: exnavychick

And a very good rant it was.


43 posted on 06/25/2005 12:16:59 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz; metesky
Are you kidding? This SC ruling just validated the claims of the antis.........they will use that to crank up the attacks on private businesses.

Yes, but now, WITH compensation!

44 posted on 06/25/2005 12:21:28 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz

The holes in my brain are filling up again...I am becoming a little more coherent these days, and lots less hormonal, lol!

Glad you liked it...felt good to get that off my chest. It seems like all the news coming out of DC and the state governments these days is bad news. :(

At least, if you're not a lib, that is.


45 posted on 06/25/2005 12:25:21 PM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Mears

GMTA, then. :)


46 posted on 06/25/2005 12:25:48 PM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: SheLion; metesky
Yes, but now, WITH compensation!

Compensation had nothing to do with this ruling, that part of the 5th amendment was not touched. What this ruling did was change the definition of "public use." In the past that meant roads, schools, bridges, municipal utilities, etc. Now what this did was to add tax revenue to the definition.

Much the same as how the antis have gotten people used to the idea that private businesses are actually "public places."

A park is a public place - a bar is not. A road is a public use - condominians are private use.

47 posted on 06/25/2005 12:29:58 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: exnavychick

I'm glad the hormones are starting to balance out :)


48 posted on 06/25/2005 12:30:43 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
And with my husband it's actually one step further - not only doesn't he hate smokers, he is one himself :)

Is there no depths to which he won't sink?  If he ever goes to San Francisco there'll be orders to shoot on sight.

49 posted on 06/25/2005 12:33:03 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!


50 posted on 06/25/2005 12:36:11 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SheLion
Maybe this eminent domain issue will get the anti-smokers the hell off of our backs!

Never happen! To those pseudo-conservatives, the daily encounter with the hated smoker is real to them while they view the chance of their respective cities confiscating their property as something that is only going happen to the other guy.

Chances are they have only given minimal thought to this SC decision and 2 weeks from now they will have forgotten all about it......while still pissing and moaning about cigarettes.

51 posted on 06/25/2005 12:36:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I've never been able to figure out why we need toenails....)
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To: Gabz
Much the same as how the antis have gotten people used to the idea that private businesses are actually "public places."

I read that if they come for my house and property they have to give me compensation. They can't just kick me out on the street.

52 posted on 06/25/2005 12:37:08 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
Take my advice, keep him home under house arrest for his own good.    Your husband is a very wanted man who has no rights under most laws in Liberal counties.

My prayers go out to him and you.  =)

53 posted on 06/25/2005 12:39:36 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Chances are they have only given minimal thought to this SC decision and 2 weeks from now they will have forgotten all about it......while still pissing and moaning about cigarettes.

I totally agree with you!  The anti's are so ate up over smokers and cigarettes they can't think of anything else.

They call us the scourge of the earth when in all truth, they are the scourge of the earth.

54 posted on 06/25/2005 12:40:19 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
They call us the scourge of the earth when in all truth, they are the scourge of the earth.

If believing in personal freedoms make me the scourge, then that is fine, let them call me what they will.  I've got a few names for them and they ain't too pretty either.

55 posted on 06/25/2005 12:43:37 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: SheLion
I read that if they come for my house and property they have to give me compensation. They can't just kick me out on the street.

It has always been that way and the folks in this case were not fighting about the compensation - they were fighting because their property was being taken not for public use (roads, bridges) but for private use (condos and offices).......in other words they felt the city had over stepped the bounds on using eminent domain

In all of the battles against smoking bans we have fought the idea that private businesses were public places what this ruling basically says is they are right, because creating tax revenue and jobs (economic development) is a "public use" according to this ruling, even if it is a private developer.

56 posted on 06/25/2005 12:45:06 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: softwarecreator

Thankfully we live in a very conservative county :)


57 posted on 06/25/2005 12:46:32 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: JennysCool
...what is it about socialism that seems to appeal to this vast swath of women

Speaking from the viewpoint of a man. I am pleading the fifth.

If I were to write what I really think the reasons socialism appeal to a vast number of women, I would be excoriated as a sexist pig all the while being totally misunderstood.

I will say the biggest reason is most men care way too much what women think, not their wives, but women in general.

I already said too much.

58 posted on 06/25/2005 12:49:54 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: softwarecreator
If believing in personal freedoms make me the scourge, then that is fine, let them call me what they will.  I've got a few names for them and they ain't too pretty either.

I hear you!  And the anti-smokers call us the scourge of the earth because there is nothing worse then a smoker, you know.

Oh well.  I have quite a list of my own that I consider far worse then being a smoker could ever be!

59 posted on 06/25/2005 12:56:34 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
we have fought the idea that private businesses were public places

I fully expect this expansion of ID to be used and abused with increasing frequency by politically motivated liberal city governments. Keep in mind that where most of the local smoking bans have been created, they were highly liberal and the people who actually voted represented a vast minority of the population.

With that in mind, you may very well see Bob Smith's controversial bar coming up for discussion at the next city council meeting. Or for that matter, any establishment owned by a vocal conservative in a liberal town......

60 posted on 06/25/2005 12:57:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I've never been able to figure out why we need toenails....)
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