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Mark Steyn: Batman Begins (A Steyn movie review)
The Spectator ^ | June 24, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:21:16 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc

Thanks for posting the entire piece quidnunc....


41 posted on 06/24/2005 1:05:00 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Antonello

I wonder what powers Beavergirl would possess?
Can we safely assume they involve wood, teeth, and big (flat) tails?

Well, I think we can safely assume that it involves tail...

True story: My mom is from Minnesota. Once, when she visited my grandmother she brought me home a T-shirt with a cartoon drawing of a beaver standing with his arms wide and the slogan "Be kind to animals. Kiss a beaver." Innocent fool that I was, I wore it to high school until a friend took pity on me and explained it.

42 posted on 06/24/2005 1:49:22 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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43 posted on 06/24/2005 1:52:58 PM PDT by evets (</sarcasm>)
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To: NotSoFreeStater
I wonder what powers Beavergirl would possess?

She cuts down the woodys.

44 posted on 06/24/2005 9:21:50 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: quidnunc

Does this idiot like any movies?

BATMAN BEGINS ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was one of the best comic book movies I've ever seen, perhaps one of the best action. I LOVED it!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 06/24/2005 9:24:06 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: Grig
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (the UNCUT version) are the best Batman movies ever.

I completely agree. Kevin Conroy (voices Bruce/Batman) and Mark Hamill (voices the Joker) are at their best in those movies.

By the way, are you keeping up with the new episodes of JLU on Cartoon Network on Saturday night, the completely ROCK in quality!!

46 posted on 06/24/2005 9:35:40 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: quidnunc
Having just seen it, I am afraid that Mark completely missed the post-9/11 aspects.

Liam Neeson's terrorist cult sounds a lot like Osama.

Whose property gets destroyed? Only the hero has his house burned down. etc. etc.

47 posted on 06/24/2005 9:42:10 PM PDT by ikka
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To: quidnunc

Must disagree with Steyn this time. I thought this was the best on-screen Batman ever. I don't think they should do another after this though, since the last four movies progressively got worse. It should stop on a good note.

Oh, and thanks for putting out the full article. : )


48 posted on 06/25/2005 7:32:43 AM PDT by DeuceTraveler (Freedom is a never ending struggle)
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To: Cousin Eddie
. "This movie was excellent...perfect? -- No!...but thankfully a far cry from Tim Burton's ridiculous sendup."

Batman Begins rocked. It is true to the comic. It is a bit condensed for films sake but it is the Dark Knight up there for the first time ever. Only the animated Mask of the Phantasm came close before. It is serious, dark, realistic, and I say again. Conservative.

The parallels with the war on terror are there. Hollywood has made precious few films about the war on terror, I cant think of a any right now. Contrast that with WWII when so many war films came out in support of victory.

Writers learned to mask their messages during mcarthyism, using say aliens or other sci fi stories to hide meanings. Paranoia for instance on a few twilight zone episodes are a good example.

I think that this film may have been similar. Hollywood has a new Mcarthyism. No one must make films supportive of the war on terror. Batman Begins is about resolve against evil.

Even the new bat symbol somewhat resembles the American eagle symbol we all know with the wings oustretched. Does Batman respresent a post 9-11 America in the war on terror?

The Joker card at the end? ....reminds us of the Deck of 52 in Iraq.

The whole theme of confronting fear. Fear is the greatest tool that terrorist use.

Ra's al Ghul wishing to destroy and punish those that are not worthy in his eyes of saving?... Al Qaeda

Batman must keep his resolve, he must learn to maintain his morality even though he must come very close to crossing the line at times.

Bruce Wayne learns to pick himself up again after terrible losses, and never give up!

And going out on a limb here, the love interest in the film,(the only real non-comic character by the way) says when Batman is no longer needed, she can be with him again. Jeez, does she represent the countries like France? when teh war on terror is over, when we have saved the world again that the world community will get along again better? I know, just thinking out loud here, just food for thought. Only the writers know if any of this is intentional. Or could have been uncouncious on their part.

49 posted on 06/25/2005 10:25:12 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Cousin Eddie
but thankfully a far cry from Tim Burton's ridiculous sendup.

That's my take as well. I really liked the current movie. I remember watching the TV series when I was a kid and thinking how silly it was (except for Julie Newmar!) and this is the style I would have liked to have seen.

I don't know how Burton got his movie made (I'll give Nicholson credit, he was a good Joker) - a Batman movie or TV series should never have been campy, light-hearted, silly, etc.
50 posted on 06/25/2005 10:33:33 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Durus
I never would have guessed that Steyn could pen an article that I could disagree with so vehemently. Oh well no ones perfect.

Same here. Sounds like Mark had his knickers in a knot over something and took it out on Batman. Just back from a Saturday matinee. I do not even remember the other Batman movies, but this one will stay with me and I will own it.

Very well rounded plot; top notch cast - the "action" I can take or leave that. But as far as good vs evil - no grey areas here. I'm not even sure that the Rachel character was necessary at all.

51 posted on 06/25/2005 5:32:00 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Grig
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (the UNCUT version) are the best Batman movies ever.

I haven't seen 'Begins' yet (wife and I are going tonight), but I would agree that 'Phantasm' is WAY BETTER than the Burton or Schumacher films...if memory serves, I believe Siskel and Ebert gave 'Phantasm' rave reviews, as well. Rent it.

52 posted on 06/26/2005 12:47:12 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and proud of it!)
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To: Antonello; NotSoFreeStater; AmishDude
I wonder what powers Beavergirl would possess?

Can we safely assume they involve wood, teeth, and big (flat) tails?

No, we can't. (g,d & r)

53 posted on 06/26/2005 1:08:26 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: who knows what evil?

I never watched the Batman Begins TV series, but the ROTJ movie doesn't require it. Just be sure to get the uncut version. It isn't for little kids so WB forced a bunch of cuts to it but a copy of the uncut version made it on the net and fans demanded a DVD release. The first (edited) DVD is not nearly as good.


54 posted on 06/27/2005 3:01:58 PM PDT by Grig
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To: quidnunc

"I seem to recall a Captain Canada, too,"

That would be Captain Canuck. Alas, I was defeated by the Librano$, but I shall return....


55 posted on 06/27/2005 3:15:41 PM PDT by Capt. Canuck
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To: Citizen H.

What comics do you write?


56 posted on 06/30/2005 10:29:27 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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To: quidnunc

Gotta disagree with Steyn for once. This film was what Batman films should have been from the start. Excellent film!


57 posted on 06/30/2005 10:30:29 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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To: RogueIsland
Steyn doesn't seem to understand that Batman has been re-imagined in the comics themselves numerous times.

Indeed. It's worth noting that the silliness of the 60s TV show reflected the tone of the previous decade or so of comics (though, as it happened, the comics started shifting toward a more serious tone at the time the TV series was on the air).

58 posted on 06/30/2005 10:37:23 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: livius
I have never understood the Batman-as-gay-icon stuff

That's based on the writings of some goofball by the name of Frederic Wertham who wrote a book called Seduction of the Innocent in the 50s. He found gay subtexts in a number of comic books, and one gets the distinct impression that he could find a gay subtext in a dial tone.

59 posted on 06/30/2005 10:41:03 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Grig
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (the UNCUT version)

The cutting job on the latter has to be one of the stupidest concepts ever. Yeah, I wouldn't let a kid see the uncut version -- but I wouldn't let a kid see the censored version either, and there's just no way to cut that story into a kid-friendly version without reducing it to utter incoherence.

60 posted on 06/30/2005 10:43:45 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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