Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Palladin]

First time I ever heard the charge "premeditated murder", also. But was the father in on the premeditation part, or just the coverup?

[hershey]

I was outside for a while, so missed a few things, but a quick check of Fox and MSNBC seems to indicate there's not much movement at this point. They've gotten fixated on that St. Louis plant explosion at the moment. As for the FBI beefing up or scaling back, Fox gave conflicting reports.

[hershey]

Talk about lost opportunities. If somebody had paid attention to this man/witness, and it was N...Heartbreaking.

[hershey]

I'm not sure what PVDS meant about how he 'hopes his son stands up to the interrogation', but it sounds fishy. A Aruban reporter or lawyer who knows PVDS said that she thought his lack of fluency in English is why he came across as 'arrogant'. She said he was 'misrepresented' as arrogant, when it was really his bad English. From what I've seen of the man, he's scared stiff. And Natalee's uncle, God bless him, zeroed in on this right from the start. That PVDS's reaction's were off from the first night. Even the hotel receptionist, when they ended up squabbling in the Holiday Inn lobby that first night, said the kids were lying.

[bonfire]

Look under his picture: it says "I love Natalie"

Weird coincidence.

[Big Jake]

Look under his picture: it says "I love Natalie" Weird coincidence.

that it is... JVDS's little brother's girlfriend is name natalie

[hershey]

That makes sense. Scout out the tourist group for a few days and then assault a particular woman/victim the last night, and it is less likely she'll want to stay around and prefer charges. Especially if she danced with the guy who'd been so friendly and nice the past couple of days. Then a pill in her drink and whisk her off to the car. Bingo. This would be quite amusing to macho idiots.

[cajungirl]

I guess I mean brutal in the sense that they can hold people for weeks and weeks without charges and deny them access to family members, etc. I am used to our system where you have the right to be silent and the right to an attorney and they have to charge you or let you go. Imagine if you are innocent and get held up to 121 days {wonder why they picked 121 days and not 120 or 130}

[the Deejay]

Who is Valentinj(?)VDS?

JVDS, has a younger brother?

I thought JVDS only had an older half-brother named Lorenzo.

[hershey]

I heard Greta mention yesterday that it's possible somebody else took N from that beach after J left her, but I had the impression Greta mentioned this because it was certainly something Joran's defense team would say, not because she thought that's what actually happened. Remember, Greta questioned the VDS's and saw PVDS under pressure, and she's no dope.

The slave trade scenario is terrifying. Implausible to most of us because it's like falling off the side of a UFO, but the slave/prostitution trade is a thriving industry down there. Lots of money to be made, and that's evidently what happened to that other young woman who was kidnapped off the cruise ship a few years ago. Evil. Reminds me of the pedophile rings in Thailand and those places that got hit by that tsunami. They seem so bizarre and unlikely, but predator pedophiles plan actual vacations there for that specific purpose.

[Big Jake]

That makes sense. Scout out the tourist group for a few days and then assault a particular woman/victim the last night, and it is less likely she'll want to stay around and prefer charges. Especially if she danced with the guy who'd been so friendly and nice the past couple of days. Then a pill in her drink and whisk her off to the car. Bingo. This would be quite amusing to macho idiots.

IMO, that is exactly what has happened!!!!

[cajungirl]

Included in the phots of crazi week in Caracas are some with Joran. And Valentijn who is fifteen I do believe has booze in his hands in a bunch of them.

[Big Jake]

Who is Valentinj(?)VDS? JVDS, has a younger brother?

Correct. He is couple of year younger than JVDS.

[hershey]

In civilized societies, an innocent person might confess for any number of what might seem peculiar reasons, including mental illness, depression, low self esteem, etc.. Joran doesn't seem to fit the bill, except that he's young. This is just my pop psychology long viewership of NYPDBLUE and Law and Order, and all those forensic crime shows on cable kicking in.

[Big Jake]

Included in the phots of crazi week in Caracas are some with Joran. And Valentijn who is fifteen I do believe has booze in his hands in a bunch of them.

Read his blog... if you can pick up the slang and innuendo, you'll find it somewhat surprising. especially the rape quote...

[sarasota]

Current drama is the big explosion in St, Louis.

[hershey]

That struck me, too...Beth Holloway's insistence that there were others involved in N's disappearance and they'd be brought to justice too. Last night she said she'd been told certain things by authorities, but wouldn't divulge more.

[sarasota]

Nice that Greta is so confident about her appearance that she put this on her gretawire. Neil Cavuto often reads emails that complain about the size of his head and his ties. He just laughs them off. Love that guy.

[sarasota]

Who's LE?

[hershey]

Propane tank went wrong, that's what started it. The local Agway has a big sign on the front door telling customers to leave all propane tanks outside. Well, now I can see why! Of course, in this case, this tank malfunction simply caused the other gasses and chemicals to blow up. Not your average backyard barbeque grill worry.