Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[cajungirl]

yep. That is the context, not the cause of the "crime". That is why everyone lies. And that may be how the case is solved. When those who really run the place decide to give up Joran and his sweaty father.

[Dark Skies]

Here is a close-up of a pic that Brigette posted last night. Look at those eyes. Not only no remorse, but a kind of pride. At the extreme end of sociopathic personalities is one that not only feels no guilt, but actually takes pleasure from torturing and killing. Look at those eyes. He is pleased with himself.

[SueRae]

ping

[cajungirl]

I saw the clip of his transfeer. He is enjoying his fame. I swear, he looked pleased as punch and triumphant. He knows he will walk.

[USF]

Thanks for the ping DS...

[No Surrender No Retreat]

MAWG, it's time for some in the POTUS/State Department to stop giving billions/worrying the PA muslims. Time to stop kissing Mehico's illegals asses,(Vincente Fox) and do something for a Americans.(The Holloways&Natalee)

Maybe if Natalee were a muslim(terrorist) or an illegal alien we would see more concern/action from our POTUS and State Department.

I know some may disagree, but there will be hell to pay for some of these(unconcerned politicans)at the ballot box next time. President Bush, America is calling for your leadership, power and intervention in this debacle of injustice. What say you!!! NSNR

[maggief]

http://blogsfornatalee.com/?p=95

June 30, 2005
Carin Janssen Interviewed by Martin Savidge (VIDEO)
Posted by Ian @ 12:40 am EST

On Scarborough tonight, Martin Savidge interview chief prosecutor Caren Janssen to talk about the information the Aruban government has and doesn’t have. Janssen talks about the evidence they have and what they are doing with it.

Download the video of the interview here.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Shades of Robert Chambers.

[sarasota]

But the Holiday Inn story is a lie.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

PVDS will probably be the next president of Aruba.(Logic) He was responsible for stopping an innocent Aruban Boy(Joran) from becoming a (victim) of the American Jim Crow Vigilante Justice mentality that prevails in America to this day.(Sarcasm)NSNR

[sodpoodle]

Your fine sense of reasoning will be missed. More careful reading and writing such as yours is a valuable asset on this forum.

There are many of us who just jump in and write one-liners where the point of view is not always clearly stated. Or read other comments too quickly.

I promise to try harder and hope to see you soon.
sp

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I believe it is just professional jealousy on o'really's part. I noticed his condescending attitude towards Great myself. NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

The truth always hurts, and causes charaltans(trolls)to flee.I hope we never have to depend on (those people) to defend our country in time of war. NSNR

[spectre]

"I just do NOT understand why they cannot find her.

Maybe because she is buried on private property where no one would search?

We now know that they aren't drilling Joran 11 hours a day, contrary to what Marianne Croes, (or someone like her), has said.

So WHY would friends of PVDS treat this boy with kid gloves? Maybe Paulus has something on them, that he threatened to reveal if his son went down? IOW's he's got something on them that could get the lot of them fired?

I'm grasping here, Howlin.

sw

[daybreakcoming]

Having spent time on Cayman, I agree with you. The locals do know each other and there is an undercurrent known only to them
I am not a conspiracy fan but this is beginning to smell.

[hershey]

Dropping in late, and sorry if this was hashed over earlier... my computer was cranky, but last night Greta mentioned the timeline of events and said she had to check her notes, but said Joran and the 'boys', perhaps with help from PVDS, came up with the first lie before the news was out that Natalee hadn't made the flight home. Before the first news cycle, in other words, it wasn't on tv or in the papers, so if innocent, why would they think they needed a cover story unless they knew N was dead? If the timeline is solid, and if they are innocent, why the lie about the HI? The timeline angle is crucial, and I hope Greta has more on this tonight.

[beyond the sea]

Yes..... he looks like Willie Sutton when they asked him why he robbed banks....... he said, "because that's where the money is." Sutton was a much nicer guy than this arrogant punk. Sutton had a pretty decent excuse....... the depression.

[Peach]

This is either one of the most bumbled cases I've seen in a long time or PVDS has friends in high places.

It sounds like the father was not interrogated at all, from some posts I read last night. Considering that a witness has said the father coached the kids, this is just unbelievable.

And I wonder what Beth meant the other day that she'd go to the media if additional arrests aren't made. She has been talking to the media right along.

Will check in later...

[maggief]

Transcript:
'Scarborough Country' for June 29

http://preview.msnbc.msn.com/id/8417073/

Transcript:
'The Abrams Report' for June 29:

http://preview.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

[PBRSTREETGANG]

And I wonder what Beth meant the other day that she'd go to the media if additional arrests aren't made. She has been talking to the media right along.

For the most part, she hasn't been all that critical of the prosecutor and the investigation.

I believe her threat of "go to the media" means she will start opening up about all of the deficiencies in the investigation that she has been privy to that may not be widely known yet.