Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[WestCoastGal]

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[PBRSTREETGANG]

I'd say Natalee is on the island somewhere and may even be on the VDS's property.

I agree with everything you said in your post...except the above.

I think that Natalee's body was taken off the beach and deposited out at sea. I believe this was arranged by PVDS, and this is the reason that JVDS and PVDS think they can ride this one out...knowing that the body will not be found.

[sarasota]

Early on when Croes was released he said, "Now I know who my friends are." I heard this only once and then it was deleted from his comments. Any thoughts on what this means?

[B.O. Plenty]

I am not totally immersed into this story like some people.....somebody fill me in:

Is there now, or is there a proposed reward posted for info leading to the proof of what happened to Natalie? All I see is Ms. Jug and her sister running all over Aruba trying to get somebody to fess up. I see Greta and Geraldo wringing their hands and agonizing with locals over Natalie....and speculating whether Urine VanderSlooth did it.

It seems that nobody at FoxNews really wants this to go away...it is good news stuff, I guess.

It also occurs to me that the daily coverage of how incompentent the Aurba investigators are would have them so pissed that it is unlikely that they would tell any American reporter anything...even if they had the killer in custody.

I have offered Hannity to donate $100 to get a reward fund started if he will get one started. Mark Furman could determine who gets the money.

I think that the case would be solved pretty quickly if there was a reward of $1,000,000 offered.

[B.O. Plenty]

Dang....the $100 offer sentence is pretty tortured, but maybe you all can figure it out.

[elli1]

Yes, there is a reward being offered. $150,000.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Thank you for your post. I am very skepticl of believing anything the Aruban authorities say the have done in ths case.

Let's see if the authorities will agree to the use of a (PSE) Psychological Stress Evaluator, either on the perps or their interrogation tapes.

There is an old term as to what the Aruban LE & Politics are doing here "Lip Service Only." They frequently say procedures and laws are different than America's. I say that might be true, however there is only one way of solving this case and seeking blind justice.(Do It Right) This case has been a SNAFU ever since it's conception.

I believe as things continue to drag on with little results, we will see the Aruban/Dutch Family Affair Protection Program at it's best. I will strongly say, Mickey Johns and the other security guard will never be afforded that status of this perk.

As to the reality of this case being solved, we can expect the worst, but hope for the best. GA medic, your information was greatly appreciated. NSNR

[sodpoodle]

CG If you read my comment as criticism for your opinion, it was not. The "piling on" referenced people who commonly join a discussion just to rev up a conflict, with their own personal diatribes.

I think it's called 'flaming' - an occupational hazard I myself have experienced.

Once again, I agreed with you, not Toespi, but felt she did not deserve the 'piling on'. Toespi was reasonable to consider how parents of "an innocent son" might react.
sp

[elli1]

Yes, there is a reward being offered. $150,000. Otherwise, a great organization that is involved in this case is Texas Equusearch. That's where I donated.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

[demkicker]

Yes let's see how it plays. I was certainly convinced that Mickey John was telling the truth however. And his anger was obvious!!

Why is it that we only see Mickey John on camera and not the other guy who was also arrested with him and released? Has that guy disappeared too?

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Brother, that's what I call looking through the world wearing rose colored heart shaped glasses. I guess Jamie is to be considered a "subject matter expert" on JVD's superficial character/demeanor/motives. Air head 101. NSNR

[maggief]

FYI -

When posting from RWV a link is required.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I would be angry myself. I say watch the Aruboo authorities try to discredit Mickey. They will say he is being vindictive against the VDS for being arrested/framed. If that does not work, judge(inmypocket) will say insufficient evidence. NSNR

[Quilla]

...judge(inmypocket)....

That was funny! Take a bow, NSNR.

[Velveeta]

mark

[maggief]

Greta's blog:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160904,00.html

We got "stiffed" by three guests last night: Steve Croes (search), his mother and a lawyer for the Holloway (search) family. All three said they would do the show and failed to show (the lawyer called... but it is the third or fourth time that she has done that to us.) Frankly "no shows" is not unusual in this business — it is disruptive to our planning but never fatal.

I have my theory on Steve Croes and his mother — that they were offered money from another show (a network show, not cable news) and we don't pay our guests to appear. My guess is that the show that paid them told them not to do our show so as to dilute their interview.
(snip)

[sarasota]

I this from today? I thought I read that yesterday. At any rate, these lawyers are preparing their clients for legal action, from the sound of this.

[maggief]

It was posted sometime yesterday. I hadn't read it and found it interesting that SC appears to have been paid for his interview by a network show. I'm hearing the show was A Current Affair, and he basically said nothing.

[maggief]

Thanks for your comments. I'm out for a while this morning. I'll reread your posts later.

[demkicker]

GREAT posts, brigitte. Your logic and 'detective work' is amazing! I've thought all along that the Kalpoes weren't present when Joran killed Natalee. My hunch is he did it either by an overdose of a date rape drug or during a possible struggle gone awry where her head could have hit a rock, coconut or something.

The timeline is interesting & I believe Joran called Deepak to come get him after Natalee was dead, asking for a ride. During their conversation and in a panic, Joran may have told Deepak that Natalee was dead trying to stress the urgency of his needing a ride home. Deepak could have freaked out and refused to pick Joran up unless he couldn't get home any other way.

Either Joran had to walk home, get another ride or call his dad. If he called his dad to come get him, there would be a phone record, so this is still a big question.

Joran had to do something with Natalee's body before going home to tell his dad and get his help. Was there any shrubery he could have hidden her body in around the beach?

After Joran told his dad about Natalee, they had to go back to the beach and retrieve her body. Afterwards, they probably went back to their house in order to sort things out and plan what to do with Natalee's body. It's very logical that Natalee could be buried on their property. Afterall, getting out of their "compound" and driving around with a dead body and disposing it is very risky.

That brings me to the next question. Who can give the Equisearch team permission to search the VDS property with cadaver dogs? I'm shocked this wasn't done on the first day the dogs got to Aruba!.

When the Kalpoes were summoned over to the VDS to get their fake alibi orders, I guarantee you PVDS scared them to death and made them stick to the lie or they'd go down for Natalee's murder since they were also seen last with her.

I think the brothers know more than they are saying though. Joran has a big mouth and surely he at least told his friend, Deepak, how Natalee died. I doubt, however, that either of the Kalpoes knows where her body is.