Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[MAWG]

Should have stayed banned.

[maggief]

Adding to your post:

That's what I thought too.
But maybe I should correct myself:
Paul himself didn't say he was not a suspect anymore. The reporter said he was not a suspect anymore ("First let to clarify this. It's not like we don't respect his privacy. Paul doesn't want the Dutch media to call him "Van der S.", because he's not a suspect anymore. He wants NOVA to call his full name").

And ONE more interesting detail: according to the reporter, Paul and Anita don't like the way how the police interrogate their son. They are worried about the tactics of the Aruban police. The "Zaanse methode" (an interrogation technique) is a technique that is not allowed in the Netherlands anymore. But in Aruba the police still use that technique (that means there are also differences between the Dutch and the Aruban system: the Aruban system is BASED on the Dutch system, but there are differences).

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Reasons why he was arrested, according to himself:
- 11PM and 4AM
- because the police thinks he taught Joran, Deepak and Satish how to lie

Paul's reaction:
- He has never said he picked up Joran at 4AM. He has always said I picked up Joran at 11PM (Mc Donald's). For some reason the FAMILY told the police that he said to the family that he picked up Joran at 4AM.
And he also said there's a story that he picked up Joran and NATALEE at 4AM (he didn't say where that story comes from).
- He didn't told the kids to lie. Yes, when he had the feeling that the 3 kids might be arrested, he explained the kids the procedure and how to stay calm.

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Can you explain this method to us??[/quote]

This is the decription of that technique:

"De Zaanse verhoormethode": This technique involved a suspect being interrogated intensively for several days, in the course of which he was subjected to different forms of psychological pressure, (shown photographs of the victim’s body and the crime scene, on occasion, together with photographs of members of the suspect's family, the suggestion being made that the latter had received telephone threats and the indication being given that they would be protected by the police if a confession was provided). In three cases, the Dutch Courts (2) ruled that the use of this technique had violated Section 29 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (which prohibits the use of pressure on criminal suspects). Following advice from a special commission ("Recherche Advies Commissie"), the Minister of Justice decided, in November 1996, to prohibit the use of this technique.

[sodpoodle]

where is Joran's family getting their income/money?
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You never heard of "going Dutch" or "Dutch treat"?

Taxpayers!
sp

[Toespi]

If you would like to experience paranoid raving, take the time to read your post to me. You are out of line.

[Canadian Outrage]

God I hope Mark is wrong on this one. May God HIMSELF help this family. I remember how it seemed that God HIMSELF just picked up Laci Peterson and her son and washed them ashore for the whole world to see where her loving husband had dropped them.!! That storm that washed them up was very Unusual according to the Harbor master!! He can do it again.

[cajungirl]

If somene came to my house at 3am looking for their chld, I would move heaven and earth to help them. I would tell my son tell us what he knew. I would be at the ready to do what I could.

I cannot for the life of me understand human beings who are more concerned about "covering their butts" even if they think their children are "innocent" and acting like they are on court tv. What kind of human being is that? I pray they aren't in my neighborhood or in my vicinity. Most people are so much better than that. Most people instinctively empathize with parents of missing children and do what they can. They don't act like jackasses.

[monkeywrench]

I agree completely! I can't understand the vnds supporters, here. Maybe they work for the aruban govt. :)

[Canadian Outrage]

ROTFLMBO!! You betchya he sweats!! That Mr. Vander SCHMUCK!!

[cajungirl]

The truth is not out of line.

what is out of line is your erroneous characterization of decent people looking for their daughter.

[Toespi]

Don't up me by using the "liberal" bomb my friend, it won't work.

[monkeywrench]

Stop using the liberal "vigilante". It's a whine...

[sodpoodle]

Most people are so much better than that. Most people instinctively empathize with parents of missing children and do what they can. They don't act like jackasses.
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cg I hope you never lose that faith in humankind. However, the Van Der Sloot father is a member of the Aruban Ciminal Justice System - so he was influenced by his "training" rather than your sense of decency. IMHO
sp

[Carolinamom]

While your "answer" to my question was amusing, my question was a serious one. Does anyone have a factual answer?

[monkeywrench]

Oh, please, you come on here defending known liars, and using "vigilante". Very liberal, I'd say.

[cajungirl]

I actually was describing a poster who opined not only would she tell her "innocent" child not to say a word, but would tell these parents to "get off her property"

The Van Sloots are just acting as guilty people act. The poster, is only guilty of having no heart. no kindness.

[MAWG]

Your " ideas " about the Holloways have been duly noted and immediately discarded. Now, go and sit in the corner where you belong. Grown-ups have work to do.

[txrangerette]

I keep hearing that they come from a wealthy family, perhaps they inherited wealth. Just a guess, I really have not heard but that is the impression I have. For example, even if the Kennedy family did not work, they would still have money. Likewise the Rockefeller's etc. ...

[Canadian Outrage]

yeah I think your right. They did get to the Island the next day. And the kid snuck out perhaps both nights because they were trying to find him when the Twittys showed up!!

[onyx]

I have no idea about their source of income. I recall reading here that they're hard up for money, but there's so much misinformation,...?

[monkeywrench]

The authorities showed behinds by using the term 'vigilante'. Viglantes form where no justice is expected. Freudian slip on their part, perhaps.