Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Malsua]

VDS = Van Der Sweat

I think Van Der Slug is more fitting. Slimy, lives under rocks, comes out at night, makes a mess of everything.

[Trust but Verify]

Before we start a general bashing of cruise lines or add these people to the list of possible sex-slaves, let's just have little reality check.

First of all, some of the people 'missing' from cruise ships have been men. One of the women was lost on a Mexican Riveiera cruise, not in the Caribbean.

Second, in every case that I am aware of, the person who was later found to be missing was on the ship when it left port, so they apparently went over the side for hateer reason. Murder or suicide or by accident.

[WestCoastGal]

The Mother wasn't sweating.

She appeared to be much more upset that her son was in jail than van der Sweat to me.

[sodpoodle]

Like J.C. Watts said "Character is doing the right thing when no-one is watching".

A majority of these celebrity politicians, etc., are always being watched. As a result, with no character, no honor and being not very bright...they are doomed.

sp

[Trust but Verify]

I believe the name (Carnival) says it all.

HUH?

[WestCoastGal]

PS

Not flaming you, just stating what I saw. :)

[onyx]

I'm going with the instincts of Natalee's mother. She thinks the elder VDS knows more than he's told.

[the Deejay]

I wonder if they might be nice enough to tell us where she might be residing? LOL!

Too bloody right!

So many of them keep saying that, but! can't seem to produce her.

[Quilla]

[truthluva]

{Like J.C. Watts said "Character is doing the right thing when no-one is watching". }

That is an outstanding quote!

[Malichi]

70% of the "above board" Aruban economy is tourism. 73% of that 70% is United States tourism. If I've done my math right I figure that we, the people of the good ole U. S. of A., account for 51.1% of the Aruban economy. When one spends that much money one has every right to expect a little service. Doesn't matter if it's another country or not. What's going on is much like what went on here in Mississippi in the 60's. All the bleeding hearts have been present for the Killen trial where the hell are they on this case.
TAW

[sodpoodle]

Deejay wrote: "There's been about 5 people missing off cruise ships in the past yr. or so.

I think we have a trend going... None have been found,
to my knowledge."
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I don't see any mention of "Sex Slaves" - Some passengers may have wanted to disappear.....dramatically. Cruise ships have all the trappings of "Love Boat" and "Titanic" to the fragile psyches of romantics and drama queens.

sp

[the Deejay]

Bashing cruise lines?
Wasn't aware "I" was doing that.
Certainly wasn't my intention.

Thought I was stating what's
reported in the news.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Gingersnaps, if I disagree with you please? do not turn into a werewolf and seek me out. There are some people who have the qualifications as to kinesis and conducting criminal investigations, to be possibly very accurate in their speculations/comments.

You have made a good point and I do respect it. NSNR

[onyx]

You're right, time was definitely a factor and unless 'he' had access to a boat, 'he' dumped her somewhere on the island, and it's difficult to believe that 'he' acted alone.

That message board is correct. Without a shovel, digging a 10' grave in wet sand by hand, would be difficult, but not impossible.

[Trust but Verify]

We both know the general discussion has been about 'all the women missing in the Caribbean' . Your post is in that vein and on a discussion thread of Americans 'disappearing'. If your intent was not to draw some sort of parallel, what was it?

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Satire as to the name of the cruise lines. Possibly fits as to monitoring the well being and safety of the passengers. NSNR

[onyx]

And not one media person has asked them "where might she be and have you looked there?"

This is beyond horrid. Natalee's dear mother is trying so hard to hold herself together, but she looked terribly pained and tired last night on Greta's. We have to keep praying for her. I just know I couldn't be so brave in her shoes.

[hummingbird]

Sounds like I'm messing with my own brain...LOL! I'm thinking of a book that came out around the same time THE NAKED APE came out. Maybe I've blended a couple of items, hence not being able to explain it very well. Time for the caffeinated stuff!

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Without a shovel, digging a 10' grave in wet sand by hand, would be difficult, but not impossible.

I would think that would noticeably affect one's hands.