Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Peach]

Napolitano: The notion of complicity means the government thinks he did something to aid in the crime after the crime was over. Complicity is helping the perp cover their tracks.

Gibson: But why would the charge include kidnap?

Napolitano: He didn't plan or participate but helped cover it up after kidnapping was over.

His research shows no history in Aruba of murder case being prosecuted w/out a body.

[Howlin]

The man Modesto police hired to search part of San Francisco Bay with sonar now believes he found Laci Peterson's body in mid-March.

But the officer who led the search disputed published reports Sunday that divers saw the body of Peterson, the pregnant Modesto woman reported missing Christmas Eve.

Peterson's body washed ashore near Richmond on April 14, a day after the remains of her unborn son were discovered about a mile away.

The Modesto Police Department had hired Gene Ralston of Idaho to search the bay with side-scan sonar. He now believes that what he saw March 13 was Peterson's body, based on where she was found.

"Piecing all the information we have now, I believe it probably was Laci Peterson," Ralston said.

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com·plic·i·ty
Involvement as an accomplice in a questionable act or a crime.

guilt as an accomplice in a crime or offense

[sarasota]

But there is one case in the Netherlands that was prosecuted with a confession. But I heard Janie somethingorother say that, after many hours/days/weeks of interrogation, the interviewee starts saying what he thinks they want him to say so it will end. Kinda like minor insanity, perhaps.

[Peach]

So that's what images look like with sonar. Thanks. I am pretty sure I've been on boats that use sonar to find the schools of fish and thought it would only track movement.

[sarasota]

Believe I heard that sonar detects objects up to 300 feet...???

[Howlin]

That's different.

[Peach]

I heard one of the female spokespeople for this matter say last night that if the suspect wants to stop talking, they stop. But maybe Aurba is concerned about the international community and just says what they think the UN types want to hear :-)

[maggief]

I see Howlin did a great job of answering your question. :)

[Peach]

Is that 300 feet down or sideways? Because if they weighted the body in any way, or put her in a cooler ala the Capano brothers, then they need to search the very bottom.

[Peach]

That's what I remember seeing on fishing boats when we went whale watching, etc.

[Peach]

Ya'll are helping out; I had a few questions I just couldn't get a handle on.

[sarasota]

300 ft. down, as I understand it.

[cajungirl]

Are Aruban ATM;s different from ours? Here, my bank only lets you do one a day for a max of like 400 bucks.

[Howlin]

I am convinced that was Laci; the very next day, storms raged in the bay for about a week; then she came up.

[sarasota]

We're not talking about a shark attack. Aren't we talking about a shark-eaten body?

[Wayfarer]

Guy from the Texas firm doing the search beginning tomorrow, said on Fox earlier today, that the wide-angle-sonar field of view is 800ft deep... 300ft. wide.

[cajungirl]

I thought Nat's cell was left in the hotel,,the chaperone had it. But then the Mother did that announcement about her cell being fixed for all calls right at the beginning.

[Peach]

That's good.

Do you remember the Copano case in Delaware? Lawyer kills his mistress, wants to ditch her body and puts her in a cooler. Has his brother (who built my parent's house) take him out with the cooler and they throw her overboard.

A few years later, the builder brother turns states evidence against his brother the lawyer.

[monkeywrench]

Drug smugglers and illegals. Columbian and venezuelan illegals.columbians dead on aruban reef

Four Colombians have been found dead on the reefs off the coast of Aruba the last two days. They were trying to enter the island illegally by boat. The captain of the boat has been charged with several counts of murder, because according to the lone surviving witness, he pushed the people out of the boat some distance away from the coast of the island. .."

"Several times a week illegal immigrants try to enter our island illegally by boat, so they can come here to live and try to find a job. Tragedies ..."

"This has happened in the close proximity of two of the beaches where I have swam the most times of my life. There are reefs about 100 meters off the coast that keep the rough water from coming in...