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Cruel and Unusual -Terri
NY Times ^ | 6/23/05 | Bob Herbert

Posted on 06/22/2005 8:06:02 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" asked Joseph Welch in his famous confrontation with the pathologically cruel Joe McCarthy. "Have you left no sense of decency?"

More than a half-century later, I would ask the same question of Florida's governor, Jeb Bush.

In an abuse of power that has been widely denounced, and has even appalled many of his own supporters in the Republican Party, Governor Bush has tried to keep the Terri Schiavo circus alive by sending state prosecutors on a witch hunt against her husband, Michael.

The state attorney who has been pushed by the governor into pursuing this case told me yesterday he has seen nothing to indicate that a crime was committed. Nevertheless, the inquiry continues.

Governor Bush asked Bernie McCabe, the state attorney for Pinellas County, to "take a fresh look" at this already exhaustively investigated case to determine, among other things, whether Michael Schiavo had perhaps waited too long to call for help after discovering that his wife had collapsed early one morning 15 years ago.

Mr. McCabe did not seem particularly enthusiastic about his mission. "I wouldn't call it an investigation," he told me in a telephone conversation. The word "investigation," he said, "is a term of art in my business."

He then explained: "When I conduct an investigation, it would mean that I have a criminal predicate. In other words, that I have some indication that a crime has occurred. That's my job...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: falseaccusers; feminists; manhaters; news; pantload; taxwaste; terrischiavo; wackjobs
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To: jess35

What part of multiple witnesses do you not understand?

____The part where they present obkective evidence.


101 posted on 06/23/2005 9:06:26 AM PDT by Bushbacker (f)
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To: Bushbacker

Judge Greer who Columbia Law University determined to have a 79% error rate.


102 posted on 06/23/2005 9:07:31 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: NicknamedBob

He's a columnist, not a reporter. Bias comes with the territory. Or are you one of those who thinks Ann Coulter is an objective neutral commentator?


103 posted on 06/23/2005 9:10:08 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: NicknamedBob
"No evidence of a crime" is not the same thing as evidence of no crime.

"No evidence of a crime" means the power of the state should not be conducting a criminal inquiry of a citizen. Period. This smacks of trying to find a crime for political purposes.

"Evidence of no crime" is not only proof of a negative - by definition, impossible - but it is not a standard to be applied to any citizen. Go ahead - prove you haven't committed any crime.

104 posted on 06/23/2005 9:17:24 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: eleni121
I will believe her parents over the "husband " any day - and you need to do that

No, I do not.

105 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:23 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: RS

Who knows why any date in particular was selected for anything. The topic here is the effort by the New York Times to use the death of an innocent person to foster a political advantage TO OUR OWN DISADVANTAGE~!


106 posted on 06/23/2005 10:00:12 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Tired of Taxes; MRMEAN
I definitely agree that this particular news article is NOT ABOUT all these folks who wish to personalize the Schiavo story to justify what they perceive to have been their own decision-making process and actions.

It's simply not about them, and it's really not about Schiavo when it comes from the NYT.

Rather, it's just another excuse for a petty political attack against Republicans, FreeRepublic, Conservatives, and the Bush family.

107 posted on 06/23/2005 10:03:05 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: tutstar
Oh, yes, that thing from the "Killer Docs". Did you know they murder over 100,000 people a year through misuse of their right to prescribe medicine.

Frankly, neither you nor I should ever trust the ethics or attention to medical detail of any physician. They can be very dangerous.

108 posted on 06/23/2005 10:05:06 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: softwarecreator

That's why we perps people like Jackson and OJ off.


109 posted on 06/23/2005 10:26:58 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
That's why we perps people like Jackson and OJ off.

I'm sorry, but what does that mean?

110 posted on 06/23/2005 10:30:45 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

That's why we perps people like Jackson and OJ off.



LOL - that is what happens when I am too busy to edit.

Here is what I meant to type:

That's why perps like Jackson and OJ get off...because people like you choose to believe in their innocence - Schiavo is as guilty as they are.


111 posted on 06/23/2005 10:36:37 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
Just for the record, I thought OJ, Michael Jackson and Robert Blake were all GUILTY.  I was, however, 50/50 on Kobe Bryant.
112 posted on 06/23/2005 10:41:28 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"the Terri Schiavo circus"

A very apt description.

113 posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:30 AM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: muawiyah; Gondring
"The topic here is the effort by the New York Times to use the death of an innocent person to foster a political advantage"

Strange, that would seem to fit more in Blogs or opinions - in News/Activism the topic appears to be

The state attorney who has been pushed by the governor into pursuing this case told me yesterday he has seen nothing to indicate that a crime was committed.


"...TO OUR OWN DISADVANTAGE~!"

Are you sure you're in the right place ? ... this is not about you, you realize...
114 posted on 06/23/2005 10:56:55 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: softwarecreator

We agree. If you review the legal history in the Schiavo case, I have no doubt you will come to the same conclusion as mine: he is guilty but the euthanazis and PC police got involved.


115 posted on 06/23/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
I agree that Terri did not deserve to die, no question on that.  I still do not believe that Michael is some heartless scummy media whore who was hoping to cash in from this.

Back when Dr. Kervorkian (Dr. Death) was euthanizing people, my wife and I discussed what would happen if we ever became brain dead.  We both agreed and promised each other we'd "pull the plug" if we knew there was no way the person would come out and have a reasonable quality of life.  My wife made me promise I'd do it.

If this were to happen today and the media got ahold of it ... I would be the Michael Schiavo of the moment.  No one would know what we had talked about, just as NONE of you know what went on with them.

But you know something, I wouldn't care how many people cried and put up posters and websites ... I would do what my wife's wishes were.  My wife would never forgive me if I let her be used by the media and the anti-death crowd as a symbol for something she does NOT want and then caved in and forced her to continue on in a state she would not want to be in.

Anyway, that's how I feel.  You guys see Terri as a symbol, maybe Michael saw her as a human being and was granting her what he KNEW she wanted.

116 posted on 06/23/2005 11:21:51 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator
Good post.

I am reminded of this version of a living will my husband and I have agreed to ;~D

I, being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means.

If a reasonable amount of time passes and I fail to sit up and ask for pizza and a cold beer, it should be presumed that I won’t do so ever again. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day.

Under no circumstances shall any video footage of me in a vegetative state be plastered all over on national TV.

Under no circumstances shall the members of any Legislature or Congress enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of Americans who aren’t in a permanent coma and who nonetheless may be in need of nourishment.

Under no circumstances shall any politicians butt into this case. I don’t care how many fundamentalist votes they’re trying to scrounge for their run for the presidency in 2008, it is my wish that they play politics with someone else’s life and leave me alone to die in peace.

I couldn’t care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don’t know these people, and I certainly haven’t authorized them to preach and/or crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own damn business, too.

If anyone goes against my wishes, turns my case into a political cause and enlists the ‘aid’ of self-serving charlatans such as Randall Terry and Jesse Jackson, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell.


117 posted on 06/23/2005 11:25:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: softwarecreator

All the facts in the case and MS's actions demonstrate that Schiavo had absolutely no right to end his wife's life. She was in no way at the end of her life...she was a living breathing human being. She was not suffering from a fatal illness - and cancer was not ravaging her body. She was ravaged by the withholding of food and drink in her last days.

Abominable and barbaric!


118 posted on 06/23/2005 11:28:59 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: HairOfTheDog

You are not keeping to the facts of Terri's case. She was not at the end of life. She was deliberately murdered by the withholding of food and drink.

Here is a case of another who was in a similar predicament to Terri's, but in his case, a loving and supportive wife stood by her man...and yes...miracles do happen!

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050523/NEWS40/50513042


119 posted on 06/23/2005 11:34:50 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

I didn't assert ~anything~ about Terri being at the end of life.

That said, her being PVS at such a young age makes her case sadder, not more hopeful.


120 posted on 06/23/2005 11:38:25 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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