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House Approves Move to Outlaw Flag Burning
Yahoo News ^ | LAURIE KELLMAN | AP

Posted on 06/22/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

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1 posted on 06/22/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Stupid. Let them burn the flag in public for all to see.


2 posted on 06/22/2005 7:42:01 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: oolatec

No, that burns me up. People need to respect the flag. Too many people have fought under it, our troops wear it on their sleeves for goodness sake. It's to be respected.


3 posted on 06/22/2005 7:43:56 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee (Visit me @ peoplepolitical.org & therant.us --Fee)
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To: oolatec

I'm against most any First Amendment restrictions, they only make it harder to detect the anti-American $#!+heads.


4 posted on 06/22/2005 7:50:32 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: FeeinTennessee

This thread has already been posted...some 376 replies to the last one.

Many, pardon the pun, show their true colors.


5 posted on 06/22/2005 7:51:26 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent green is people!")
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To: FeeinTennessee

I think the SCOTUS got it right. Flag burning is a protected form of speech. But I also feel that it should be legal for anyone who feels up to it, to whack anyone seen doing it. That is true "equal rights".


6 posted on 06/22/2005 7:51:51 PM PDT by hophead ("FRY MUMIA")
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To: F14 Pilot

Brings back memories of the 60's when protestors burned flags, draft cards, and bras.


7 posted on 06/22/2005 7:54:12 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: F14 Pilot

If burning the flag is free speech, so is my kicking the crap out of anyone who is doing it. Hey, I'm just expressing my views. What about my rights?


8 posted on 06/22/2005 7:54:24 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., a possible presidential candidate in 2008, revealed that she would vote against the measure.

Hillary Clinton is a traitor.
9 posted on 06/22/2005 7:58:08 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: vpintheak

See #6 post!


10 posted on 06/22/2005 7:59:39 PM PDT by hophead ("FRY MUMIA")
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Many, pardon the pun, show their true colors.

That is the understatement of the year -- was shocked at some of the comments I read on that thread. Still trying to figure out where commenting homeless, hungry, etc. people came from on that thread about flag burning. Didn't know we had so many people that believe it is okay to burn the flag because it is their "right."

11 posted on 06/22/2005 8:01:48 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor; Allen in 2008)
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As much as I hate to see someone burning the flag, I respect the first amendment more. If nothing else, it exposes the people who do this for what they are. No changes here and do away with the political finance restrictions. Free speech should be "free speech"...
12 posted on 06/22/2005 8:02:38 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: vpintheak

Very good point and one I agree with totally!


13 posted on 06/22/2005 8:02:52 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor; Allen in 2008)
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To: vpintheak
If burning the flag is free speech, so is my kicking the crap out of anyone who is doing it.

No, that would be assault and battery.

14 posted on 06/22/2005 8:06:08 PM PDT by saquin
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People that burn the flag in protest do little but harm their cause du jour.

The only way to write a law or an amendment or a regulation to cover every possible desecration or folkway violation regarding the flag is to write one that makes the European constitution look like an abbreviation.

15 posted on 06/22/2005 8:12:41 PM PDT by stevem
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The last refuge of scoundrels. So can you pick out the scoundrels finding safe harbor amongst those who genuinely respect the flag?

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 25, 2005

Mr. CUNNINGHAM (for himself, Mr. MURTHA, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. BASS, Mr. BOEHLERT, Mr. BUYER, Mr. CROWLEY, Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. FERGUSON, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. GOODE, Mr. HEFLEY, Mr. HOLDEN, Mr. ISSA, Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut, Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota, Mr. KING of Iowa, Mr. MCINTYRE, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. PITTS, Mr. RAMSTAD, Mr. ROGERS of Michigan, Mr. SIMMONS, Mr. SMITH of Texas, Mr. TANCREDO, Mr. TAYLOR of North Carolina, Mr. TAYLOR of Mississippi, Mr. WAMP, Mr. WICKER, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. MCCAUL of Texas, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. HUNTER, Mrs. CUBIN, Mr. KNOLLENBERG, Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. MCHUGH, Mr. WOLF, Mr. OTTER, Mr. ROYCE, Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin, Mrs. MCCARTHY, Mr. GIBBONS, Mr. HASTINGS of Washington, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. TERRY, and Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire) introduced the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

June 14, 2005

Additional sponsors: Mr. ALEXANDER, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. FORBES, Mrs. KELLY, Mrs. NORTHUP, Mr. BAKER, Mr. SHUSTER, Mr. POMEROY, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mr. YOUNG of Florida, Mr. LANGEVIN, Mr. RAHALL, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Mr. PICKERING, Mr. REYNOLDS, Mr. HAYES, Mr. LINDER, Mr. CULBERSON, Mr. EVERETT, Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota, Mr. HYDE, Mr. MURPHY, Mrs. CAPITO, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. PORTER, Mr. KUHL of New York, Mr. EDWARDS, Mr. BOSWELL, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. PLATTS, Mr. LATHAM, Mr. NEY, Mr. GENE GREEN of Texas, Mr. KING of New York, Ms. HERSETH, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania, Mr. SIMPSON, Mr. LAHOOD, Mr. MICHAUD, Mr. WALDEN of Oregon, Mr. REHBERG, Ms. BERKLEY, Mr. CARDOZA, Mr. JENKINS, Mr. GORDON, Mr. GRAVES, Mr. BILIRAKIS, Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mr. FORTENBERRY, Mr. PUTNAM, Mr. KANJORSKI, Mr. ISTOOK, Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. OXLEY, Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. BACHUS, Mr. CRAMER, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN, Mr. CHABOT, Mr. WELDON of Florida, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mr. LUCAS, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania, Mr. SODREL, Mr. REYES, Mr. SHIMKUS, Mrs. DRAKE, Mr. FOLEY, Mr. PENCE, Mr. NUSSLE, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. GOODLATTE, Mr. RENZI, Mr. WHITFIELD, Mr. CARTER, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. CANNON, Mr. PRICE of Georgia, Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. NEUGEBAUER, Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Florida, Mr. MARSHALL, Mr. THORNBERRY, Mr. MCHENRY, Mr. KLINE, Mr. COBLE, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. BOREN, Mr. SHERWOOD, Mrs. EMERSON, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. OSBORNE, Mr. HERGER, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. BISHOP of Utah, Mr. MORAN of Kansas, Mr. JINDAL, Mr. ROSS, Mr. SKELTON, Mr. KINGSTON, Mr. DEAL of Georgia, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. CANTOR, Mr. BACA, Mr. BOEHNER, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky, Mr. SCOTT of Georgia, Mr. RYUN of Kansas, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. LOBIONDO, Mr. STRICKLAND, Mr. BEAUPREZ, Mrs. BLACKBURN, Mr. FOSSELLA, Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico, Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania, Mr. GUTKNECHT, Ms. HART, Mr. BOYD, Mr. HENSARLING, Mr. BLUNT, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. CHOCOLA, Mrs. NAPOLITANO, Mr. BROWN of South Carolina, Mr. FEENEY, Mr. COSTELLO, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. BARTON of Texas, Mr. MCCRERY, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mrs. BONO, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. COLE of Oklahoma, Mrs. MILLER of Michigan, Mr. BERRY, Ms. GRANGER, Mr. WELLER, Mr. GARY G. MILLER of California, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. SAXTON, Mr. LYNCH, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina, Mr. MANZULLO, and Mr. HOBSON


16 posted on 06/22/2005 8:18:37 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: saquin

Thanks for filling me in there.


17 posted on 06/22/2005 8:19:00 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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It just boggles my mind that you can drum up that many votes to restrict the first amendment and not find that many votes to support the second amendment.

Burn away, liberal wackos.. Taiwan will make more of them.
18 posted on 06/22/2005 8:23:16 PM PDT by kingu
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To: F14 Pilot
Great points from a letter to National Review's The Corner:

First, not only is such an amendment unconstitutional (as the document stands now), but it's completely impossible to enforce and would serve as nothing more than feel-good, pseudo-patriotic nonsense. The triumph of emotion over logic.

Second, what would count as a flag? Does it have to be cloth, or would large pictures drawn in crayon be covered? Do poster-sized glossy pictures of flags count? Could I be jailed for burning a tie or shirt with a big flag on it? What about those little flags on toothpicks that are in some desserts and drink; I guess it's 30 days for igniting a stack of those. What if the particular flag I am burning only has 12 stripes and 49 stars....is it official?

And why only flags? Shouldn't we also protect other symbols of America? The Statue of Liberty, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence. I'll still be free to burn those, even though the sentiment is the same as burning a flag.

And you have no problem with such a law. Do me a favor. Take a stab at writing this law so that it isn't completely ridiculous.

Let me add a few comments. Kid Rock's flag poncho at the Super Bowl -- would he be arrested in the future? People wearing American flag shirts that have holes in them from use -- toss them in jail? This is a feel-good law that is unenforcable and will immediately (and rightfully) be struck down by the SCOTUS. With all the stuff the GOP needs to focus on right now, this is a rabbit trail we can't afford to waste time on.

19 posted on 06/22/2005 8:25:40 PM PDT by inkling
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This is an idiotic waste of time. Dean panders to blacks via the Ohio poll claim and now Republicans pander to conservatives with this crap. They treat us like we're stupid fools out here. Hello? Is anyone in Congress doing a friggin thing except allowing dem filibusters and saluting the flag. Like we have some flag burning crisis that has to be urgently dealt with? Gimme a break. The fact we are strong enough to allow this non-event to theoretically take place is one characteristic that used to make this a great nation.


20 posted on 06/22/2005 8:27:23 PM PDT by plain talk
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