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Arizona: Stricter homeschooling regulations in the future?
EV Tribune ^ | By Jackie Leatherman

Posted on 06/22/2005 11:14:18 AM PDT by hsmomx3

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To: Still Thinking

Allow me to ammend that.

Goobmint teacher, leave them kids alone.


61 posted on 06/22/2005 12:39:12 PM PDT by Frank_Lee_Speaking
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To: cinives

Whew! That's a relief. I was afraid the HS parents were going to have to take the kids in the bathroom, beat them up, and take away their lunch.


62 posted on 06/22/2005 12:39:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: luckystarmom
Many states require standardized test. In others it is quite easy for a parent to administer a test to their kid. If they really want impartiality they can swap kids with another HSer and test each other's. The availability and usefulness of testing is not a compelling argument to apply more regulation to homeschoolers. There are a millions resources out there for homeschoolers. If a parent does not feel qualified enough they seek extra help. For example my mom gives curriculum and lesson plan advice to HS parents of highly gifted kids.
63 posted on 06/22/2005 12:40:44 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Frank_Discussion

So this is what I personally would do for all kids.

First all kids should be evaluated yearly whether they are homeschooled, private schooled or public schooled.

If the child fails by a certain amount, then the child should be evaluated by an idependent educational assessor. I don't like going through the public school because they have their own agenda.

If the child is identified as having a learning problem, then a team can be set up as to best help this child.

I also would like to see special ed services offered to homeschooled or private schooled kids. Currently, public schools do not have to provide those services. I think public schools should provide speech, occupational, and resource (reading/math) help to kids that qualify even if they are homeschooled or private schooled.


64 posted on 06/22/2005 12:41:07 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Frank_Lee_Speaking
Goobmint teacher NEA-dues-paying placeholder, leave them kids alone.
65 posted on 06/22/2005 12:41:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Frank_Lee_Speaking

Sign me up - let the revolution begin.


66 posted on 06/22/2005 12:42:04 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Still Thinking

We do those things virtually, now...we be high tech...


67 posted on 06/22/2005 12:43:00 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Frank_Discussion
Lights must be going bad. My cube does that too. Better go take a walk and stop looking at the monitor for a while. Incidentally I would say I have been doing engineering related stuff as long as I can remember. Only now they pay me for it :P
68 posted on 06/22/2005 12:43:58 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
In most states, homeschoolers do take standardized tests, and nationally rank far above the national average for goobmint shooled kids.

Here in NC, 48% of the goobmint shooled kids writing skills are below their grade expectation(which isn't very high to begin with), while homeschooled are 2 grades ahead on the same scale.

69 posted on 06/22/2005 12:44:51 PM PDT by Frank_Lee_Speaking
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To: cinives

Do dat game GTA be available at "We be toys & $hit"?


70 posted on 06/22/2005 12:44:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: cinives

First we have to all move to SC, then secede from the Union.(wink)


71 posted on 06/22/2005 12:46:03 PM PDT by Frank_Lee_Speaking
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To: luckystarmom

Most homeschoolers hang out with other homeschoolers. We have big families and there are always kids of all sorts of ages around. Someone will notice if little bobby is falling too far behind. Trust me, homeschool moms compare these things. Newer ones ask older ones "What did you use for reading in first grade" or "could I have a look at your Saxon math tests".

Homeschooling is not an isolated thing. It's a grassroots, networking enviroment. I've known plenty of families who have a kid with some disability and not one of them failed to realize it. Heck, if you're with your kids all day long aren't you more likely to notice a problem?


72 posted on 06/22/2005 12:47:03 PM PDT by JenB
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To: TalonDJ

I know a lot of great homeschooling parents, and have thought about it for my kids.

However, I am related to one that is not doing so well in the homeschool arena, and I personally think that she should not be homeschooling her kids. As far as morals go, one of her older kids is in and out of jail and one of the others got pregnant and married at 17.

I'm pretty much pro-testing when it comes to any education option. I know it helped identify some problems in the private school that we were sending my son to, and I am anxiously awaiting my daughters first standardized testing scores. If she doesn't score well, then the public school will have to provide some more services for her.


73 posted on 06/22/2005 12:47:14 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
idependent educational assessor. I don't like going through the public school because they have their own agenda.

My issue is that any time you mandate anything we are taking power from the people that have it now (parents) and handing it to some uncaring bureaucracy. There is no such thing as an independent assessor. What if the magic assessor says the kid has serious issues but the parents disagree. Do they take the kid away and give it to this 'team' that was set up? There already is a team. It is called a mom and a dad and if they need help they can go find it. The government can keep their damn regulations. Every kid is different and there is no way some rule making bureaucracy has any idea how to raise other people's kids. No offense but in my opinions only a fool gives up the decision making power that parents should have.
74 posted on 06/22/2005 12:49:42 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

The parents set the standards. The children don't belong to the state.


75 posted on 06/22/2005 12:50:45 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: JenB
I've known plenty of families who have a kid with some disability and not one of them failed to realize it.

I know mine sure did, and I was constantly reminded of it too, saying, "Son, you are one hard headed little imp."(grin)

76 posted on 06/22/2005 12:51:00 PM PDT by Frank_Lee_Speaking
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To: luckystarmom
and I personally think that she should not be homeschooling her kids.

That is too bad but that is not for you to decide and not for me to decide and sure as hell not for a bureaucrat to decide.
77 posted on 06/22/2005 12:51:20 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Politicalmom
The parents set the standards. The children don't belong to the state.

Not if the social darwinist elitists in the goodmint have their way. Most see children as being not much more than either an asset or a liability of the state.

78 posted on 06/22/2005 12:52:57 PM PDT by Frank_Lee_Speaking
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To: Frank_Lee_Speaking

Yeah, and my parents figured out I was a lazy little cur and worked that out of me... mostly...

My mother could tell you exactly the best way to teach each of us (7), and each of us was different. I learned by reading things and writing essays, my next sister learned by hands-on methods and having things explained to her, and so forth. Public school teachers - how can they do that for thirty kids? And even if they do, what happens next year when the kids move on?


79 posted on 06/22/2005 12:53:56 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Kokojmudd

Tom Horne is one of those who ran saying wanted regulations on homeschoolers. I actually voted Democrat against him.


80 posted on 06/22/2005 12:53:59 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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