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Vietnamese Leader in White House Visit, a First
NY Times ^ | 6/22/05 | David Sanger

Posted on 06/21/2005 6:05:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Prime Minister Phan Van Khai arrived here Tuesday as the first leader of a united Vietnam to visit the United States, a trip marked by protesters outside the White House and a decidedly muted reception inside.

It was a strikingly different occasion from the day when Bill Clinton made the first presidential trip to Vietnam five years ago, placing a coda on one of the most emotionally scarring wars in American history and opening a new start with the country. Then, tens of thousands of Vietnamese lined the streets to greet him.

The crowds outside the White House were far smaller and were made up in good part of Vietnamese-Americans, who focused on complaints about Vietnam's human rights record...

The coolness was a reflection, several American officials said, of the administration's uncertainty over how to deal with a government that is looking for a great leap in its links to the United States but has proved unwilling to loosen political control at home.

Vietnam's development model appears to be China: economic openness married with strict crackdowns on dissenters who threaten the central authority. It is a country to which Mr. Bush has not devoted much energy, though he plans to visit next year for an Asian summit meeting, he said Tuesday.

In the meantime, the dialogue seemed to replay the words of 2000, during Mr. Clinton's four-day visit. "We believe that America finds in Vietnam a potential cooperation partner," Mr. Khai said in the Oval Office. "We have a population of 80 million people, which means a huge market for American businesses. And these people are also very hard working, creative and dynamic."

The United States is now Vietnam's largest trading partner, doing $6.1 billion in business last year, according to the State Department...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; news; phanvankhai; term2; vietnam; vietnamvisit
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To: familyop

>>> Take it from a Noahide who is credible, and who is not trying to "abolish Christmas," as you allege.

So you find Noahide a solid source too?

I will ignore your posts too.

I allege nothing. He sells flyers for $0.15 per flier. and 10 cents if you're a khazar jew for his campaign to abolish X-mas.


61 posted on 06/21/2005 9:08:32 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: BIGLOOK
President Bush made two demands on Khai. Stop the religious persecution and put more effort into resolving the POW/MIA issue.

BUMP

62 posted on 06/21/2005 9:11:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: familyop; Calpernia

==...may as well toss this into the thread

What are you talking about!!! That's the most important link you have contributed to this thread. Please, post that link far and wide...make as much hay out of it as possible. The continuing Soviets that currently occupy and oppress Russia ARE OUR ENEMY...and so is are the Vietnamese Communists. Why is that so hard for conservatives to understand???!!!


63 posted on 06/21/2005 9:17:01 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: B4Ranch

==Communist officials like each other, no matter what country they are in.

I don't know about like...but they certainly all belong to the same criminal organization.


64 posted on 06/21/2005 9:18:09 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Duh.


65 posted on 06/21/2005 9:21:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: familyop; Calpernia; B4Ranch
BTW Calpernia...I don't know if you know this or not, but the Vietnamese Communists that you have such high hopes for want to abolish Christmas too. And they don't confine themselves to religious and moral persuasion either. You might want to remember that the next time you get excited over news that Communists have been invited into our White House.
66 posted on 06/21/2005 9:23:02 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: onedoug

==Duh.

Thanks...I think :o)


67 posted on 06/21/2005 9:28:57 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Calpernia; Admin Moderator; Alia
Calpernia wrote:
"He sells flyers for $0.15 per flier. and 10 cents if you're a khazar jew for his campaign to abolish X-mas."

..."khazar jew?" That is only used as a neo-Nazi slur against Jews.

For others reading this who are not acquainted with it, it's the neo-Nazi theory that modern day Jews are not physically descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but are instead descended from the Khazars, supposedly a Turkish, non-semitic race. This particular canard is circulated most often particularly by Russian and US Christian identity neo-Nazis (so-called "Christian" Party and the like).
68 posted on 06/21/2005 9:35:15 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop; BringBackMyHUAC; Admin Moderator

I quoted your source. Not my words, not my flyers.

If these words are a problem, then maybe familyop and BringBackMyHUAC should not be posting from the Noahide Movement.


69 posted on 06/21/2005 9:43:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: familyop

Wow...that one went right over my head. Can you post some links. Thanks--HUAC


70 posted on 06/21/2005 9:43:39 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Calpernia

==If these words are a problem, then maybe familyop and BringBackMyHUAC should not be posting from the Noahide Movement.

Did you pick up that word (Khazar) from Noahides? I've never heard them use such a word. If you are correct, then this bears some looking into. Please provide documentary links so we can get to the bottom of this. Thanks.


71 posted on 06/21/2005 9:47:23 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Sure did.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ZzQF_RkiIVIJ:www.apfn.net/Messageboard/12-23-04/discussion.cgi.106.html+JAHG-USA+%2B+abolish+x-mas&hl=en

Rabbi Schneerson
Help Abolish Xmas
Tue Dec 21, 2004 17:06
66.169.187.10


*****Stuff the Talmudvision "Preachers" won't tell the braindeadgoy.


JAHG-USA Home

A flier serving as a follow-up to the previous one on the need to abolish Xmas celebration by gentiles:

B"H

Campaign to abolish X-mas continues

SPECIAL SALE!!!

Fliers now available at reduced price:

$0.15 per flier. 10 cents if you're a khazar jew.

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More

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72 posted on 06/21/2005 9:51:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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familyop; BringBackMyHUAC

::Back on ignore::


73 posted on 06/21/2005 9:51:55 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
So certain Hasidic Jews would like to abolish Christmas in favor of the Ten Commandments. That's old news. But according to Familyop, you used a term that the neo-Nazis use to discredit the Jews as a race and a religion. Is this particular (Noahide) group claiming that the Jews are imposters? If so, please supply the link (I really, sincerely want to know). Thanks.
74 posted on 06/21/2005 9:58:06 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC; Calpernia
BringBackMyHUAC wrote:
"Did you pick up that word (Khazar) from Noahides?"

Calpernia wrote:
"Sure did. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ZzQF_RkiIVIJ:www.apfn.net/Messageboard/12-23-04/discussion.cgi.106.html+JAHG-USA+%2B+abolish+x-mas&hl=en "

No, you didn't. We're not blind to the "www.apfn.net" (so-called "AMERICAN PATRIOT FRIENDS NETWORK") in that (cache link quoted above). That's not a Noahide site, and you know it.

And the Noahide site pages from your search link do not include the word, "khazar." That was a neo-Nazi forgery from the post at the APFN site.
75 posted on 06/21/2005 10:13:53 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Calpernia; A Jovial Cad
The words, "Talmudvision" and "khazar" do not appear at the Noahide sight as you alleged in your comment #72. Those words only appear in the neo-Nazi forgery you further disseminated from the so-called APFN site (neo-Nazi/kook site) and in a similar forgery at the Stormfront site. I don't really appreciate seeing neo-Nazi forgeries directed at me.
76 posted on 06/21/2005 11:05:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC
"Wow...that one went right over my head. Can you post some links."

I sent some info to you in a Freepmail.
77 posted on 06/22/2005 12:23:08 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC; Calpernia
The Red Chinese love it.

Actually the Chinese hate it. The Chinese have nearly 300,000 men along the border with Vietnam that are always in a combat configuration that corresponds to the level we keep our 38,000 men in Korea. Thats a huge and very expensive effort. Interestingly the Vietnamese forces on the south side of the border are very modest. CLearly the CHinese fear Vietnam.

China and the Indo-Chinese have an automatic antipathy that goes back thousands of years and communism or no a collective racial memories are tough to overcome with a few slogans.

What is happening is similar to the way we hemmed in the SOviets in the 50's. Afghanistan, Pakistan (sort of), India, and Japan have already more or less signed on to the concept. Add in Russian fears of the Chinese and a reapproachment with the Vietnamese makes sense.

Still although I understand it, I don't like it. I served three tours in Nam and lost many friends to the commies there. That war would have turned out differently if the Durbin's and Hillary's of that time hadn't been there to side with the communists. Its probably a sound strategy and the main point is to defend freedom with the best tools available.

78 posted on 06/22/2005 4:22:12 AM PDT by An Old Marine
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To: BringBackMyHUAC
It's like our leaders don't have any standards anymore.

Our leaders have no problem taking people trying to flee from Communism and returning them, knowing they'll be imprisoned and/or tortured, so the answer would be "no".

Doesn't anyone remember what Communism even means???

Some of us do, but not many. Your talking about a nation that is more interested in would-be brides on the run, or so-called "reality tv" where people make complete asses out of themselves, than what is going on in the rest of the world.
79 posted on 06/22/2005 6:27:11 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Communism means slave labor for the suits that run DC.


80 posted on 06/22/2005 9:04:17 AM PDT by warchild9
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