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Vietnamese Leader in White House Visit, a First
NY Times ^ | 6/22/05 | David Sanger

Posted on 06/21/2005 6:05:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Prime Minister Phan Van Khai arrived here Tuesday as the first leader of a united Vietnam to visit the United States, a trip marked by protesters outside the White House and a decidedly muted reception inside.

It was a strikingly different occasion from the day when Bill Clinton made the first presidential trip to Vietnam five years ago, placing a coda on one of the most emotionally scarring wars in American history and opening a new start with the country. Then, tens of thousands of Vietnamese lined the streets to greet him.

The crowds outside the White House were far smaller and were made up in good part of Vietnamese-Americans, who focused on complaints about Vietnam's human rights record...

The coolness was a reflection, several American officials said, of the administration's uncertainty over how to deal with a government that is looking for a great leap in its links to the United States but has proved unwilling to loosen political control at home.

Vietnam's development model appears to be China: economic openness married with strict crackdowns on dissenters who threaten the central authority. It is a country to which Mr. Bush has not devoted much energy, though he plans to visit next year for an Asian summit meeting, he said Tuesday.

In the meantime, the dialogue seemed to replay the words of 2000, during Mr. Clinton's four-day visit. "We believe that America finds in Vietnam a potential cooperation partner," Mr. Khai said in the Oval Office. "We have a population of 80 million people, which means a huge market for American businesses. And these people are also very hard working, creative and dynamic."

The United States is now Vietnam's largest trading partner, doing $6.1 billion in business last year, according to the State Department...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; news; phanvankhai; term2; vietnam; vietnamvisit
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

We are winning The Vietnam War. Final victory is a function of the outcome of The War on Terror.


41 posted on 06/21/2005 7:04:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Calpernia
I said, "They are solid when it comes to Communism, but I do not share their religious convictions in the slightest degree."

Please refrain from pulling my comments out of context. I promise, I will afford you the same courtesy (even if you quote me out of context). Truth is truth. They are dead wrong in very important aspects of their religious convictions, but they are quite reliable (so far) when they zero-in on the crimes of Communism. BTW, I have the same opinion of many Mormon organizations...we disagree on religion, but we more or less agree re: Judeo-Christian morality (which needs to be standard equipment if you hope to do battle with Communism, which disavows all moral rules).
42 posted on 06/21/2005 7:09:32 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Calpernia

==And now that I see what sources you feel are solid, please remove me from your ping list. Thank you.

I will, of course, remove you. But I challenge you to read their articles on Communism and find any significant thing you disagree with. All the best--HUAC


43 posted on 06/21/2005 7:11:58 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: onedoug

==We are winning The Vietnam War. Final victory is a function of the outcome of The War on Terror.

We will have to defeat Russia and Red China to prevail in the War on Terror. They are the head, the terrorist groups are but the tentacles. Here are but a few examples:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1252955/posts

http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_iswr2_muslim.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220747/posts

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18498


44 posted on 06/21/2005 7:19:04 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Like you are doing to me now? I didn't quote you.


45 posted on 06/21/2005 7:19:54 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
OK, let me quote you directly:

"The Noachide campaign is solid?"

I never said that...they are dead wrong when it comes to my faith, Christianity. I said they are solid on Communism. Moreover, they aren't even posting their own articles on Communism. They are quoting Inside Story: World Report...a newsletter that I used to subscribe to way back when. Inside Story has nothing to do with their silly campaign.
46 posted on 06/21/2005 7:32:17 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

I believe that is a question vs. a quote.


47 posted on 06/21/2005 7:34:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
==I believe that is a question vs. a quote.

Your erroneous question attempted to frame my previous quote. I could not let that stand. Go back and read what I actually wrote...would you?
48 posted on 06/21/2005 7:38:53 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

I don't wish to read anything you post here ever again, so no.


49 posted on 06/21/2005 7:40:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I think that our disagreement is so slim that there is no reason why we shouldn't be on friendly terms. Go back and check my posts. I think you will find that I am solid across the board (even if I take things a little farther than you when it comes to Communism). When it comes to Communsim, I want complete victory...not a situation where we subsidize the very enemies that want to do us in--HUAC
50 posted on 06/21/2005 7:42:33 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Calpernia

==I don't wish to read anything you post here ever again, so no.

Even so...May your life be filled with fair skies, calm seas, and following winds.


51 posted on 06/21/2005 7:45:20 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Calpernia
PS If you haven't done so already, do yourself (and the greatest country on God's green earth) a favor and read the works of Anatoly Golitysn. Such a reading will go a long way in bridging the needless chasm that lies between us--HUAC
52 posted on 06/21/2005 7:56:50 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC; Alia
BringBackMyHUAC wrote:
"This sickens my stomach. It's like our leaders don't have any standards anymore. Why do we let any Communist officials from any Communist country visit the US in any official capacity. Our enemies get to enhance their image while we tarnish our own. Doesn't anyone remember what Communism even means???"

Here's some evidence for you as to what kind of people are behind the latest swing by the "elite" among us.

AmCham pins high hopes on Vietnam-US blossoming business
http://www.vov.org.vn/2005_06_15/english/kinhte1.htm
Adam Sitkoff, Executive Director of the American Chamber of Commerce (AmCham) in Hanoi, says AmCham is confident that during his upcoming visit to the US, PM Phan Van Khai will establish a new and productive relationship with the US government, the American people, and the US business and financial communities, and seek to re-introduce Vietnam as a stable, peaceful and vibrant member of the global economy.

The truth of the matter is that most of our investors and corporate officers are not as conservative as people in their positions were over 30 years ago.

Our Republican Administration has begun its second term, and we conservatives are being dumped again. Our business leaders don't feel threatened by socialism. Many of them are the children of the hippies of almost 40 years ago, who were themselves the children of corporate bosses and lawyers. ...ever wonder why so many family breaking social programs are still in place in our USA? Corporates pay lobbyists and contribute to the multitude of feminist organizations to see to it that those programs stay intact.
53 posted on 06/21/2005 8:30:54 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: caisson71

I thought the same thing. And I'm glad to see this...so far.


54 posted on 06/21/2005 8:31:54 PM PDT by Khurkris (Its getting sunny. The dampness is receding.)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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55 posted on 06/21/2005 8:36:22 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

And these are the people that our current President is letting into the White House. Thanks God at least SOME people aren't being "re-educated" by the Red Carpet.


56 posted on 06/21/2005 8:51:22 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Calpernia
Heard on the news today that President Bush made two demands on Khai. Stop the religious persecution and put more effort into resolving the POW/MIA issue.

Tonk, the POW/MIA issue hasn't been put to bed. Khai and the Lao Dong govt isn't dealing with W's slimy predecessor or a couple smarmy senators. W didn't go to Hanoi, Khai came to Washington.

Big difference.

57 posted on 06/21/2005 8:55:42 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Calpernia; BringBackMyHUAC
Calpernia wrote:
"You are very assumptive here. You have no idea what this meeting is about."

He's knows what it's about. Also see comment #53.

"Protesters heckle Vietnamese prime minister [In Seattle.]"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426467/posts
Khai, whose tour coincides with the 10th anniversary of normalized relations between the two countries, will meet today with Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates and tomorrow with President Bush, who Khai hopes will help Vietnam gain admittance to the World Trade Organization.

Arriving at Sea-Tac Airport yesterday morning, Khai stopped at The Boeing Co.'s plant in Renton, where he was to oversee the purchase of four Boeing 787 jetliners by Vietnam Airlines.


Take it from a Noahide who is credible, and who is not trying to "abolish Christmas," as you allege.
58 posted on 06/21/2005 8:58:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

hint

Communist officials like each other, no matter what country they are in.


59 posted on 06/21/2005 9:06:03 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

...may as well toss this into the thread, just so that we'll all know that the rest of the old gang is there.

Leaders congratulate 55th anniversary of Viet Nam-Russia diplomatic ties
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331639/posts


60 posted on 06/21/2005 9:08:21 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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