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Terri Schiavo's remains buried in Clearwater
Sun-Sentinel ^ | June 20, 2005 | MITCH STACY

Posted on 06/20/2005 8:40:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Terri Schiavo's husband buried her cremated remains in a Clearwater cemetery Monday, inscribing on her bronze grave marker that ``I kept my promise.''

David Gibbs, an attorney for the woman's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said inscribing the marker that way was a nasty political statement by Michael Schiavo, who held the service and burial Monday before telling her family.

``Obviously, that's a real shot and another unkind act toward a grieving mom and dad,'' Gibbs said.

After earlier announcing plans to bury his wife's ashes in their native Pennsylvania, Michael Schiavo instead interred them at Sylvan Abbey Memorial Park in Clearwater, near Tampa, his attorney, George Felos, said in a short news release Monday.

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To: Robert_Paulson2

This is about Terri Schiavo, and what SHE did or did not want.

This is NOT transferable to hypothetical situations.

Terri left no instructions, written or otherwise. Even the best MS could come up with was an offhanded comment that Terri MAY or MAY NOT have made to him.

Do you think, that when there is more than ample doubt about the wishes of the incapacitated person, they should be killed?


821 posted on 06/21/2005 5:55:28 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

This is NOT transferable to hypothetical situations.



I agree, terri is dead, and its not hypothetical. Since that is NEVER going to change, do most terri supporters also oppose living wills? I am interested in what it means to the living that remain amongst us.

that's all I really wonder about in this conflict at this point. I think most of the terri supporters also reject living wills as a device for ending life as well, and I will take your refusal to answer as confirmation of the theory...

Most of the terri schiavo threads are about the right to die, NOT just about the right for family to decide.

They oppose the entire thing on the principle of extending life at any cost... regardless of the wishes of the person, either written, or not.

Sorry, you seem to think I care about the shiavo case. AT this point, it's no longer a hypothetical, so I don't. SHE is dead. NOTHING we do can change it.

I am interested in the living will and end of life decisions of individuals as to whether freepers support written living wills that determine a right to die... or not?


Pro life freepers in general do NOT support the right of an individual to die, even if expressed in a living will. Making any discussion on these threads pretty much a waste of your or my time...


822 posted on 06/21/2005 6:10:55 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (I remember when conservative meant, CUTTING the government's POWER and SIZE down.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Pro life freepers in general do NOT support the right of an individual to die, even if expressed in a living will.

Seriously?

I'm really surprised at that.

823 posted on 06/21/2005 6:16:58 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: SoVaDPJ
And we agreed that if I was on life support and he found a girlfriend and had two children with her without divorcing me, my sister would castrate him with a rusty tin can lid.

I'm sorry for your husband that you would want him to live fifteen years or more with no companionship but a permanently vegetative wife.

824 posted on 06/21/2005 6:20:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

My husband would do the right thing and divorce me, and give me back to my family.


825 posted on 06/21/2005 6:25:52 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Pro life freepers in general do NOT support the right of an individual to die, even if expressed in a living will. Making any discussion on these threads pretty much a waste of your or my time...

I've come to that conclusion as well.

826 posted on 06/21/2005 6:26:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: SoVaDPJ

Bonus deal for your family.


827 posted on 06/21/2005 6:28:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: eleni121
Who said anything against pain meds?

You did.

ME: Isn't suffering pain the 'will of God', too?

YOU: I would agree with you there. We Americans have become a bit mushy haven't we?

828 posted on 06/21/2005 6:29:11 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: HairOfTheDog

They seem to think so.


829 posted on 06/21/2005 6:31:22 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: BykrBayb
The law did not require that, until it was changed through the precedent set by Judge Greer.

Wrong as usual. The Florida Supreme court ruled In re Guardianship of Browning in 1990 that a written living will was not required to establish the patient's desire to forgo life-sustaining treatment.

830 posted on 06/21/2005 6:36:35 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Robert_Paulson2
in other words, do the terri schiavo thread reflect a cutlural divide about the end of life, legal right to die and ending life support by artificial means, in the event of a legal document... not just in the 'he said she said' dynamic of the terri schiavo case?

Based on what I've seen, yes.

831 posted on 06/21/2005 6:38:07 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: QQQQQ
Terri did NOT leave anything in writing, nor did she leave any clear instructions, or any kind of instructions.

Florida does not require a written living will.

832 posted on 06/21/2005 6:39:34 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Boy...do you jump to conclusions! LOL.


833 posted on 06/21/2005 6:39:36 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: QQQQQ
Terri left no instructions, written or otherwise.

The courts did not agree with you. From the Florida Second District Court of Appeals, March 16, 2005:

The judgment was entered by the trial court in February 2000 following an extensive trial. The trial court determined, based on clear and convincing evidence, that Theresa Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state and that she herself would elect to forego further use of a feeding tube. This court affirmed that judgment.

834 posted on 06/21/2005 6:43:37 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: eleni121
Boy...do you jump to conclusions! LOL.

I simply read what you wrote. As did others. If you meant something different, you may wish to clarify your words.

835 posted on 06/21/2005 6:46:00 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

I don't respond to dopey remarks.

Try reading again...it's in English.


836 posted on 06/21/2005 6:57:38 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: malakhi

Some folks are in denial... but I think its about their own support of living wills and the right of individuals to specify the means of when and where life support is to be withdrawn.

The ones most upset about terri and michaels end game... would seemingly not support withdrawal of life-support even if Terri HAD put it in writing and everyone in her neighborhood and family notarized it personally to boot.

They get viscerally angry about it if you ask them about it too.

They don't want us 'other americans' to control any aspect of our own lives, if it conflicts with THEIR own moral code. They believe withdrawing support by living will is a form of assisted suicide. Of course, fifty years ago, we couldn't keep these folks alive for five minutes let alone five years.

We are going to have to have this discussion, because a lot of us in this generation are going to have to face life and death decisions at a time when social security may not have the money to keep us all on life support till we reach 160 years of age... even though the technology might exist in 30 years to do just that.

Who is going to control individual choice?
The government directed by the religious right? the liberal left? or individuals after their own conscience?
On a responsibility level: Who is going to decide and WHO is going to pay?

This is about a lot more than terri and michael schiavo.


837 posted on 06/21/2005 7:06:43 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (I remember when conservative meant, CUTTING the government's POWER and SIZE down.)
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To: eleni121

I read what you wrote and it loooke like that to me too.

What did you mean if not that?


838 posted on 06/21/2005 7:07:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (I remember when conservative meant, CUTTING the government's POWER and SIZE down.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

I believe that most of the Terri Schiavo's threads are about the right to "life" and "not" just about the right for anyone else to decide what are "your" civil rights to live "your" life no matter how impaired you are or might become. And that no one, "NO ONE!", other then "YOURSELF" has the right to make the choice of "death" for you.

In such a case as Terri's, her civil rights to her life were taken from her by the court, with "NO" written document stating that "her" wishes were to die if she were impaired, PVS or otherwise.

With out that written document, she should never have been stripped of "her" civil rights to live "her" life no matter how impaired.

Any one who has it in writing that they wish to be disconnected from any and all life saving treatment should also be allowed "their" choice to end "their" own life.

And I should also point out that those of you who have posted here saying that you would not want to live if you were in Terri's condition, well, you'd better NOT change your mind somewhere down the road and decide that you would rather live. Because we have your words in writing... and remember, all Michael Schiavo needed to have Terri killed, was hearsay evidence.


839 posted on 06/21/2005 7:24:49 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Seems Like Our Press Has Turned Against Our Country")
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To: Robert_Paulson2

You guys are spacy...


840 posted on 06/21/2005 7:28:56 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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