Skip to comments.One Reporter's Opinion – Red China: The Looming Threat - (are we underestimating China's agenda?)
Posted on 06/20/2005 6:21:19 PM PDT by CHARLITE
It is this reporter's opinion that China watchers are in a state of shock. They heard former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell speaking before the Pacific Basin Economic Council, stating "China is not a military threat to the United States" and urging China to do a better job in explaining the benefits of cheap Chinese imports to American consumers.
Is Colin Powell out of touch with reality? The Soviet Union may be dead, Mr. Powell, but the surviving People's Republic of China (PRC) is headed for the goal outlined by Lenin himself: that in the end capitalists will drop in the hands of the Communist revolution "like overripe fruit." Mr. Powell, it is China's role to carry on "the revolution" to the fulfillment of the "overripe fruit" prophecy.
China faces a military threat from no one, so why the firepower? Why the military buildup? China controls both entrances to the Panama Canal, it controls over $200 million of the U.S. debt, it has a good part of the American economy by the throat, and Americans are standing in line for cheap products made in China by slave labor. Not to mention that dollars have ended up in the pockets of corporate America and the Chinese military machine.
Meanwhile, much of our Congress and the public range from blasé to wishful thinking about Colin Powell's brand of "friendship."
Howard Phillips warned us in 2001 that U.S. trade with China was a horrendous mistake. (See "U.S. Builds China's War Machine.")
Constantine Menges, in his book "China: the Gathering Threat," warned that China is pursuing a stealthy, systematic strategy to obtain geopolitical and economic dominance and that America could be embroiled in a showdown with China in this decade. Menges, as a special assistant to President Reagan, played a key role in the downfall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
Dr. Menges told us that China has been and remains, along with Russia, the leading supplier of weapons of mass destruction to North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya and Cuba. In his book, Menges tells us that China is capable of launching nuclear missiles in thirty minutes that can kill Americans. He tells us, "The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) defines the U.S. as the main enemy."
And what about the Cox Report? Has Powell forgotten or bothered to read this report that unanimously found that the PRC has stolen design information on our most advanced thermonuclear weapons, that the next generation of such weapons will exploit elements and that their penetration of our national labs spans several decades and most certainly continues today?
In a foreword to the Cox Report, Former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, a patriot to the core, wrote the following: "Communist China's long march against the U.S. is as tenacious as it is diverse from campaign contributions used to influence in the White House, purchasing an interest in American corporations, hi-tech spying, to old-fashioned military buildup threats."
Weinberger recalls the words of Chinese General Xiong Guangkai, who in 1995 told an American official that the PRC would call the shots in the Asian theater "because in the end the U.S. cares a lot more about Los Angeles than it does about Taipei."
The Cox Report uncovered espionage by agents of the PRC that Weinberger charges is "the most serious breach of national security since Julius and Ethel Rosenberg betrayed our atomic secrets to the Soviet Union and Aldridge Ames sold us out." The Rosenbergs paid with their lives. The crimes uncovered by the Cox Report have yet to be redressed.
Constantine Menges, now deceased, offered these recommendations on how to confront China's gathering threat. In his book he adheres to what President Reagan, with Dr. Menges advising him, used as a guiding strategy to bring down the Soviet Union. The U.S., says Dr. Menges, should:
1. "Start telling the truth about Communist China;
2. maintain Cold War alliances both economic and strategic, and seek a new defensive alliance with India and its population of 1.1 billion;
3. shift trade opportunities in Asia from China to American allies and security partners;
4. and most urgent: the U.S. [should] move from intention to actual deployment of national and regional missile defenses."
Most Americans don't know we are unprotected from the growing threat of a missile attack. The fallout from this delay in preparedness could be an enormous loss of life.
Additionally, we must maintain the integrity and control over classified information within the U.S. government and among all contractors with sensitive military technology information, significantly improve and expand our U.S. counterintelligence, and expel from the U.S. companies that function as fronts for any military or intelligence-related entities in China, Russia, or any other non-allied state.
Wes Vernon, brilliant Washington-based writer and veteran broadcast journalist, has brought our attention to Dr. Constantine Menges' documents. Vernon tells this reporter, "China's potential to do harm to the U.S. is in a category all by itself if for no other reason than it has neutralized so much of America's business and policymaking sectors."
Wes Vernon told Weinberger, "The Clinton administration perpetrated some of the worst, most damaging national security decisions of the 20th century."
And now Hillary Clinton wants us to believe that cozying up to Red China is a new phenomenon that just emerged since her husband departed the White House. She recently warned: "We are giving up our fiscal sovereignty to China. How do you get tough with your banker?" This, after the Clinton regime gave the Chinese the political and economic keys to the White House and accepted campaign money from Communist Chinese sources.
The warnings are here, Mr. Powell, spoken from the grave by Dr. Constantine Menges. Think again before claiming that China is not a military threat to the U.S.
Cox, Christopher, California Congressman. The Cox Report. http://www.house.gov/coxreport
Menges, Constantine. "China: the Gathering Threat." Nelson Current, 2005.
Vernon, Wes. "Red China: The Noose Around America's Neck," June 13, 2005.
Vernon, Wes. "Howard Phillips: U.S. Builds China's War Machine," Sept. 11, 2001.
Is Oceania at war with The East again?
And we're dumping multi-millions down the rat hole in Iraq in some pipe dream that we're going to create a democratic utopia in the Middle East. All the while, China is arming to the teeth, stealing our weapons technology, and building an economy that we're funding.
Some of Bush's notions remind me of the overreach and hubris that helped bring down the British Empire.
We better start taking China as a serious threat. What really makes me mad is that our government knew that Clinton sold our super computers with all of our defense information in them to China, and none of them did a darn thing about it. You know he pocketed a lot of money for himself too.
China has to know that when they fire a nuke at Los Angeles that there will be a response. At least they won't have to worry about population control for a long time.
Why the hysteria? China has never been an aggressor with regard to territorial or ideological expansion. If treated in a non-hostile manner I suspect we have little to fear from them and may even benfit from closer contact as trading partners.
"Their first ballistic missile system is not expected to 2010"
Hugh, I'm not sure where you got that info but it is incorrect...they also have Sunburn supersonic cruise missiles from Russian that have the potential to sink carriers in the Straits. They are making serious attempts to downsize and focus on quality and technology. They have bought Su 30s and other aircraft that are on a par with all of our air inventory save the F-22 Raptor. They are buying the best ships the Russians can buy for a growing blue-water navy too.
In 10-15 years many see them challenging us in the Asian theater.
Have to apologize, I meant to say their first SLBM is not expected to 2010, I was having another conversation with someone on this subject and it was implied in my response they new I was talking about submarine launched missiles.
They do have land launched ballistic missiles the quantity and quality of which are open to debate.
As to the sunburn, they can only be launched by the Hangzhou
Type 956 destroyer which is what they have bought from Russia (it was their Sovremenny class destroyer). They only have 2 of them. They do plan to get another 2 and may get them by 2010. They only carry 8 sunburns. One Arleigh Burke destroyer has 96 VLS launch cells, capable of a wide variety of missiles.
As to the sunburn itself, it is not considered state of the art. It has also never been in combat so it has no record. As a former EW I can tell you it's nothing something that would scare me. Respect it yes, but let it intimidate me, no. For the sake of reference did you see the article posted here about 2 CIWS Phalanx guns brought to Iraq? Same gun as the USN uses for CIWS. It's there because it can hit mortars in flight.
As to the SU-30 our F-15s and F-18s can handle them. Our AMRAAMS and AWACS are second to none. The Chinese by the way have no AWACS. So they will not have any "help" when they try to take us on. They will not have the ability to vector aircraft correctly for maximum benefit. They are also about 15 years behind us in EW.
"China has never been an aggressor with regard to territorial or ideological expansion."
Tell that to the thousands of dead UN and US soldiers and marines that died in North and South Korea. No Chinese territory was violated yet they treacherously attacked UN and US forces defending South Korea.
You may want to also take that up with Taiwan, while they are threatend and blackmailed with growing hundreds of Ballistic Missiles 100 miles across the Strait.
Ideological? Are you kidding they force there own people to believe in the Party ideology and their manifestos and Maoisms state very clearly that world wide aims and goals.
"If treated in a non-hostile manner I suspect we have little to fear from them and may even benfit from closer contact as trading partners.
Yes, we can hope that they will come into the fold of nations and act responsibly, but their actions and threats against many do not give us great hope. I do believe we should trade with them and hope that their economic freedom eventually leads to a more open society and government...however, we should be careful with high technology that can be used for military purposes and we should also be wide-eyed in terms of China's past use of slave labor.
I don't know if you caught this Collen Powell comment, but I think you find this of interest.
There is nothing France from selling AWACS eventually. There is nothing stopping Russia from selling them and alot of other high tech weapons.
Our F-15s didn't do so well against the Su-29s? in the Indian AF...they didn't use the 30 models that they had. So, our aircraft are not invincible to good tactics and comparable aircraft...the 29s and 30 are much better at dogfighting and maneuvering than our aircraft...If China used J-8 to keep us busy, J10s and Su-30s could put us into some sticky situations.
Some clarification...They went Communist in 1949 and this sent them on a course contrary to their four thousand years or so history. Your examples are accurate but I still believe they are more inward looking than expansionist.
If I might add -
"In 10-15 years many see them challenging us in the Asian theater."
Where we be by then? Couple hundred F-22s, a 747 laser based system, at least 4 SSGNs, a few hundred JSFs, the
X-45 and X-47 UAVs will be in service. The "Tango Bravo" sub will probably be in business. The THAL will be in use.
The Navy will also have about 40 or so LCS vessels which are perfect for fighting in the PacRim. The USS George Bush will be out there.
And finally the ABM system should be fully up and running.
Believe me, I am not hysterical in the least, Communists like to rattle the saber, which they are doing now because IMO they are getting ready to settle the Taiwan dispute. Just pointing out they have to know what will happen if they would make good on this threat.
I think we have as much difficulty trying to understand and predict Communist courses of action as we do with regard to Middle Eastern nations. I am uneasy about "decisive" action that results in unpredictable reactions.
France can not sell AWACS to China under an EU treaty. They do that and we sell Taiwan a ton of stuff. The Soviet
AWACS is poor at best at this time. FWIW - France buys our AWACS. Do you think we sell them the whole package?
Did you know the rules of engagment during the excercise with India? We were not permitted to use our latest missiles, no AWACS and not the latest F-15 radar. No wonder they won. That excercise was used by the air force to get more F-22s. Which is fine with me as they are an incredible plane.
The USAF plan is not to dogfight. Using AWACS we go in under EMCON and launch AMRAAMs before they can do anything to us. We will fight BVR. That tactic maximizes advantage of our technology. The AMRAAM is guided by GPS cordiantes updated constantly. No radar, no warning to the bad guys. Only in the last 2 or 3 miles does the homing radar go active. They will hear the sound of the RWR go off, and then boom.
As to the Chinese airforce, one Arleigh Burke destroyer has 96 launch cells. We can put 4 ESSMs in one cell. The Japanese who will be in this will have about 8 Kongo class destroyers, which are like large versions of the Arleigh Burke. And one PAC-III battery has 128 missiles. We just deployed a battery around Tokyo. We also are selling several batteries to Taiwan, to add to their PAC-II patriot batteries.
Hey, as long as we are vigilant...I have faith in our military and engineering. But, it is critical to keep our tech lead...and that means not being unrealistic. Beware of our Euro friends sending them hitech military systems.
Agree 100%. And W and Rummy have been a lot more vigilant than BJ.
In the case of China I think you might be right. But the Muslims are a different matter. They are to irrational. I do not get a warn fuzzy from the Iranians or Saudis have nukes. Too many extremest in each country.
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