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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine, has been recognized by agents for Medicare, the federal government, and others for new approaches to helping the brain injured.

Dr. Hammesfahr has been identified in helping patients with chronic brain injuries from many causes actually leave long term disability, and return to work.

Dr. Hammesfahr was identified the first physician to restore deficits caused by stroke.

Dr. Hammesfahr has released the following statement in response to the autopsy report on Terri Schindler Schiavo:

We have seen a lot on the autopsy of Terri Schindler Schiavo in recent days, that I feel needs to be addressed. To ignore these comments will allow future 'Terri Schiavo's' to die needlessly after the wishes of clinicians and family are ignored.

Considering that there were so many physicians and therapists who were willing to step forward to treat Terri Schiavo, from university based practitioners to those in private practice, it clearly shows that the mainstream medical community across the board, those involved in treating patients, knew that they could help Terri.

The record must be set straight. As we noted in the press, there was no heart attack, or evident reason for this to have happened (and certainly not of Terri's making).

Unlike the constant drumbeat from the husband, his attorneys, and his doctors, the brain tissue was not dissolved, with a head of just spinal fluid. In fact, large areas were "relatively preserved."

The purpose of the therapies offered by so many, from major universities, brain injury centers, and from private practice physicians, is to improve and restore quality of life, and function, which the mainstream medical community clearly tried to get to her.

I have had a chance to look at Dr. Nelson's analysis of the brain tissue, and essentially, as a clinician, these are my thoughts.

The autopsy results confirmed my opinion and Dr. Maxfield's opinions, that the frontal areas of the brains, the areas that deal with awareness and cognition were relatively intact. To use Dr. Nelson's words, "relatively preserved." In fact, the relay areas from the frontal and front temporal regions of the brain, to the spinal cord and the brain stem, by way of the basal ganglia, were preserved, thus the evident responses which she was able to express to her family and to the clinicians seeing her or viewing her videotape. The Spect scan confirmed these areas were functional and not scar tissue, and that was apparently also confirmed on Dr. Nelson's review of the slides. Dr. Maxfield's estimates of retained brain weight were apparently accurate, although there may have been some loss of brain weight due to the last two weeks of dehydration.

Dr. Maxfield and myself both emphasized that she was a woman trapped in her body, similar to a child with cerebral palsy, and that was born out by the autopsy, showing greater injury in the motor and visual centers of the brain. Obviously, the pathologists comments that she could not see were not borne out by reality, and thus his assessment must represent sampling error. The videotapes clearly showed her seeing, and even Dr. Cranfoed, for the husband, commented to her that, when she could see the balloon, she could follow it with her eyes as per his request.

That she could not swallow was obviously not borne out by the reality that she was swallowing her saliva, about 1.5 liters per day of liquid, and the clinical swallowing tests done by Dr. Young and Dr. Carpenter. Thus, there appears to be some limitations to the clinical accuracy of an autopsy in evaluating function.

With respect to the issue of trauma, that certainly does not appear to be answered adequately. Some of the types of trauma that are suspected were not adequately evaluated in this assessment. Interestingly, both myself and at least one neurologist for the husband testified to the presence of neck injuries. The issue of a forensic evaluation for trauma, is highly specialized. Hence the wish of the family to have observers which was refused by the examiner.

Ultimately, based on the clinical evidence and the autopsy results, an aware woman was killed.

s/Dr. W. Hammesfahr

[Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999. The Nomination was for work started in 1994. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.]


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KEYWORDS: dailynutjob; emotionallydisabled; euthanasia; fraud; hammesfahr; nobellaureate; nominatedbyhismama; schiavoautopsy; swindlers; terrischiavo; williamhammesfahr; worldsgreatestdoctor; wppff
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To: Lancey Howard

Amen. Had Terri been a snail darter or some other beast the court would have tried to stop the earth's rotation on her behalf.


21 posted on 06/19/2005 7:07:13 PM PDT by steampower
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To: wagglebee

"Flawed," or "fraud?"


22 posted on 06/19/2005 7:13:16 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: bjs1779

You're kidding, right?


23 posted on 06/19/2005 7:15:27 PM PDT by Peach
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To: StAnDeliver
10 minutes until the Starvation Nation crowd shows up...

It's the obnoxious "I'll Believe Any Kind of Cr@p" dummy who shows up somewhere within the first 7 posts.

24 posted on 06/19/2005 7:20:37 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair ("Suppose you're an idiot. Suppose you're a congressman. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain)
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To: Cicero

The phrase 'stuffed shirts' comes to mind. Life experience can rectify that condition over time.


25 posted on 06/19/2005 7:29:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Peach
You're kidding, right?

Other than baseless accusations, what has he ever done wrong or been convicted of? So no, I am not kidding.

26 posted on 06/19/2005 7:29:34 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: bjs1779

Have you read Post #14 and still decided that all the links and accusations are baseless?


27 posted on 06/19/2005 7:30:29 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Have you read Post #14 and still decided that all the links and accusations are baseless?

Put up a link where he was ever convicted of anything. If you do, I will show you where it was overturned.

28 posted on 06/19/2005 7:33:02 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: bjs1779

What are they going to convict him of? Falsely saying he's a Nobel Prize nominee?

You can see clearly from the links that he's been asked to stop doing that.

There are links to court testimony where he claims he has saved people like Terri but admitted under oath that he couldn't provide any documentation or names.

If you have any more questions, I'll have to wait to answer them until morning. But I rather suspect that since you seem to wish to believe that Dr. H is a respectable doctor (which he isn't), that nothing I can say to you will change your mind.

It's always interesting to me to see freepers who don't believe court testimony on oath, but believe every internet conspiracy that comes down the pike.

Good night.


29 posted on 06/19/2005 7:36:24 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Peach, you're BS is not supported by facts. Sorry..


30 posted on 06/19/2005 7:39:26 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: bjs1779

Disprove them.


31 posted on 06/19/2005 7:40:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Disprove them.

No, you try and prove them.

32 posted on 06/19/2005 7:42:02 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: RightWhale
It is not even certain if the soul resides in the brain.

I read of a study a few years back that I thought was quite interesting. It seems that no matter what you think or do, the impulse in the brain fires from the same place every time. The impulse then travels to the area of the brain that handles that function.

Becki

33 posted on 06/19/2005 7:42:58 PM PDT by Becki (There is hope for me. Moses was once a basket case, too.)
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To: bjs1779
LOL!! The proof is listed up the thread. Hammasfahr could not identify a single person he had helped in the manner he described.

Also, he did not receive a formal Nobel Prize nomination to a prize that doesn't even exist.

If these things are false, surely you can contradict them with evidence from the trial and from the Nobel Committee.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 7:44:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

I didn't think you would have anything to say.


35 posted on 06/19/2005 7:46:54 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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To: Peach; cyncooper; EveningStar
Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine

Now who was it the other day who was saying NewsMax was so dang reliable?

36 posted on 06/19/2005 7:48:15 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: bjs1779
Your post should read I (bjs1779) didn't have anything to say.
37 posted on 06/19/2005 7:48:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Becki
There have been millions of man-years invested in this and related questions. Really.

Up to now the brain is still a black box problem and the two methods of analysis are Art and Scientific. The Art Method has too many variables to be resolved by experiment any time soon, and the Science Method is still waiting for powerful enough methods of process analysis to reduce the necessary number of experiments to something manageable. So, we have little but a few inspired mountaintop gurus to rely on for what little we know about it.

38 posted on 06/19/2005 7:49:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: bjs1779

I'VE BEEN NOMINATED FOR THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!!!
Posted by Dylan - March 26, 2005 - 11:39 PM MT
Holyshitholyshitholyshit!



One of my readers wrote in today to inform me that he has nominated me, Dylan Marchetti, for the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm so stunned, I don't know what to say. It's been a dream of mine for at least a year or so now, and the fact that it happened before I've actually done anything makes it even more shocking. While I'm sure I'll lose to Bono or someone, from now until the day I die people will have to refer to me as "Nobel Prize nominee Dylan Marchetti".



Particularly if their names are Scarborough, Hannity or Colmes...

Fox News host Sean Hannity and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough both promoted Dr. William Hammesfahr's false claim that he is a Nobel Prize nominee.



Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine who claims he can help Terri Schiavo, testified during an October 2002 court hearing on the Schiavo case that his claim to be a Nobel nominee is based on a letter written by Rep. Mike Bilirakis (R-FL) recommending him for the prize. But Bilirakis is not qualified to make a valid nomination under the Nobel rules.



According to the process posted on the Nobel Prize website, the Nobel Assembly sends out invitations to approximately 3,000 people who are allowed to propose candidates. The 3,000 are "mainly members of the Nobel Assembly, previous prize winners, and a selection of professors at universities around the world."






But the fact that Bilirakis is not qualified to nominate Nobel Prize winners did not stop Scarborough or Hannity from referring to Hammesfahr as a Nobel Prize nominee. Hannity did so a total of eight times during a single hour-long program; Scarborough made the reference four times.

OK, so they got called on it. But did it stop them?

Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum identified Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist who claims he can help Terri Schiavo, as a "Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist," despite the fact that Hammesfahr was never actually nominated for a Nobel Prize.



Hammesfahr, who was disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine, testified during an October 2002 court hearing on the Schiavo case that his claim to be a Nobel nominee is based on a letter written to the "Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine" by Rep. Mike Bilirakis (R-FL) recommending Hammesfahr for a "Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine." But that award does not exist (the Nobel Assembly awards separate prizes in peace and medicine), and assuming Bilirakis intended to nominate Hammesfahr for the prize for medicine, as Hammesfahr claims, the nomination is meaningless because Bilirakis is not qualified to nominate anyone for that award.

So the hell with it. If it's good enough for Fox News, then it's good enough for me. From now on, it's Nobel Prize Nominee Dylan.


39 posted on 06/19/2005 7:51:56 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: sinkspur
Your post should read I (bjs1779) didn't have anything to say.

Our thread within the thread was if he ever did anything wrong or was convicted of it. You have failed to show us anything. If you have something, post it.

40 posted on 06/19/2005 7:54:35 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("I don’t want anyone trying to feed that GIRL" Greer thundered from the bench in 2001)
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