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Painted pearl unlocks secret of Raphael's love
Reuters ^ | 6/17/05 | Clara Ferreira-Marques

Posted on 06/19/2005 1:18:03 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Interesting theory.
1 posted on 06/19/2005 1:18:04 PM PDT by wagglebee
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I remember the paintings from Western Civ class my freshman year of college, but we didn't hear the gory details :-).


2 posted on 06/19/2005 1:25:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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That is a great story.


3 posted on 06/19/2005 1:26:26 PM PDT by conservative cat
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You mean he wasn't a homosexual? I thought that every artists, musician, writer, leader, philosopher, etc., going back to the year one, was a homosexual.

/sarcasm

4 posted on 06/19/2005 1:29:26 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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If you click on the Reuters link, you can see the painting.


5 posted on 06/19/2005 1:30:55 PM PDT by tiamat ("I live in my own little world. But it's okay. They know me here.")
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To: wagglebee
Good article and interesting theory.

Have you ever watched the Sister Wendy programs on (ugh), PBS? Sister Wendy is a British Catholic nun who has some of the most interesting takes on many artists and art works. I think I learned more from her than a host of teachers that I had over the years.

I love Raphael's work, but Da Vinci's is the best IMHO! :*)

6 posted on 06/19/2005 1:31:19 PM PDT by asp1
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Cool....Died at 37. Imagine what we could have before us if he lived another 20 years.

Did he die a natural death?

7 posted on 06/19/2005 1:31:27 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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It would make a great movie, starring Barbra Streisand and Robert Redford.

Leni

8 posted on 06/19/2005 1:32:22 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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btt


9 posted on 06/19/2005 1:33:06 PM PDT by mel
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10 posted on 06/19/2005 1:35:36 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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"You mean he wasn't a homosexual?"
Nah, Raphael was merely a fornicator. Leonardo was the one who was a homo, and Michelangelo was a manic-depressive. These High Renaissance Masters were quite a bunch.
11 posted on 06/19/2005 1:35:49 PM PDT by GSlob
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12 posted on 06/19/2005 1:37:07 PM PDT by rawhide
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Leonardo was the one who was a homo

is that true? he did have a very distant relationship with his father...

13 posted on 06/19/2005 1:50:15 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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Yes, it is true. He had a young pupil, Salai(?) by name, and in Leonardo's notebooks and drawings there are enough references in rather graphic detail, properly fit for a VERY adult magazine.


14 posted on 06/19/2005 2:00:16 PM PDT by GSlob
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"It is hard to overstate Raphael's status in Rome -- he was a superstar. The distance separating them was like that which today would separate George Clooney and his cleaner."



Really...I wonder if anyone asked the "cleaner" if she is slightly motivated to get in bed with short and smelly Clooney. So typical of A loopy European dilettante saying something like this.


15 posted on 06/19/2005 3:00:45 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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I put only a tiny bit of effort into matching image size, brightness, etc, but, Unless Rapahel painted all ears the same, I'd say the "Fornarina" and the" Velata" portray the same woman.

Fornarina/Velata

(FWIW, in the full image, the "Fornarina" looks pregnant, to me...)

16 posted on 06/19/2005 3:44:11 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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I thought he'd died of diseases as a result of fooling around with court women. But I could not find verification of this on line.

Raphael School of Athens 1510-12

Raphael detail of the above work, with Raphael's self-portrait second from the right

Raphael detail again, with his lover looking at us. I had never heard this before, but sounds plausible to me. However, I think the lady in School of Athens looks prettier and different from Fornarina.

BTW, that slumped figure in the middle is Michelangelo, added to the painting after Raphael got a sneak peak at the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo is moody and is posed somewhat like his prophets on the edge of the Sistine Chapel.

Raphael of Michelangelo vs. Michelangelo's Isaiah

17 posted on 06/19/2005 3:47:42 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Sam Cree; Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; B Knotts; Dolphy; ...

Art Ping.

Let Sam Cree or I know if you want on or off the list.


18 posted on 06/19/2005 3:48:50 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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Art Appreciaton/Education ping list.

Let me know if you want on or off this list. This is not a recent "class," but it is still interesting.

The next "class" on Cubism is coming up in a day or two.

19 posted on 06/19/2005 3:50:46 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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These have turned into such fascinating threads.


20 posted on 06/19/2005 4:24:15 PM PDT by Dante3
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