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CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is-Time
Yahooooooooooo via Reuters ^ | 6/19/05

Posted on 06/19/2005 10:20:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CIA Director Porter Goss said he has an "excellent" idea where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but the al Qaeda leader will not be brought to justice until weak links in counterterrorism efforts are strengthened, Time magazine reported on Sunday. In his first interview since becoming head of the CIA last year, Goss also told the magazine the insurgency in Iraq was not quite in its last throes, but close to it.

Goss did not say where he believed bin Laden was hiding, but intelligence experts have said the al Qaeda leader who has evaded an extensive U.S.-led manhunt is probably in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" Goss said in the interview.

"In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice," Goss said. "We are making very good progress on it."

He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

Goss added, "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."

Al Qaeda could strike the United States again, he said. "Certainly the intent is very high. And we are trying to stay ahead of their capability. And so far, I think we have done pretty well carrying the war to them, as it were," Goss said.

Bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, sporadically release taped messages that have been broadcast on Arab television or on the Internet since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Intelligence experts say the messages are partly to reassure followers that the leaders are still alive.

In the most recent message, a videotape broadcast by Arabic television Al Jazeera on Friday, Zawahri said reform in Muslim countries and "expelling the invaders" could not be accomplished except by fighting.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a key figure behind the insurgency in Iraq, is aligned with al Qaeda.

Vice President Dick Cheney has said the insurgency was in the "last throes." President Bush says it would be wrong to set a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq and that they will stay until local security forces are trained to take over

Goss said, "I think they're not quite in the last throes, but I think they are very close to it. And I think that every day that goes by in Iraq where they have their own government and it's moving forward reinforces just how radical (the insurgents) are and how unwanted they are."

Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, said on Sunday that he did not believe that the insurgency was in the last throes.

"I don't think Americans believe that we should cut and run out of Iraq by any stretch of the imagination. But I think they also would like to be told, in reality, what's going on," McCain said on NBC's "Meet The Press."

"I think part of that is it's going to be at least a couple more years," he said.

Goss expressed relief the new director of national intelligence, John Negroponte, was taking over what previously had been some of the key functions of the CIA director. "I would almost equate it to getting rid of a 60-pound back sack, climbing up a big, steep trail," Goss said.

He said he planned to stay as CIA chief for a while.

"We've got a lot to do. We're in the process of rebuilding here. I think this is our moment. I'm going to be here as long as the moment lasts. And I think it is going to last a while because we have the opportunity to build," he said.


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To: areafiftyone

It's time for the CIA to actually ACCOMPLISH something important to justify all the money it gets. This is the outfit that picked ONE and only one target to bomb during the Serbian air war- the Chinese embassy.


21 posted on 06/19/2005 10:34:43 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: areafiftyone
"I don't think Americans believe that we should cut and run out of Iraq by any stretch of the imagination. But I think they also would like to be told, in reality, what's going on," McCain said on NBC's "Meet The Press."



McCain = Back stabbing Jacka$$ that wants to be President one day.

I do not care if Hillary is running against McCain I am not voting for neither. The Republican party needs to get the message that this behavior is unacceptable. Remember Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment. Thou shall not talk ill of another Republican. And what does McCain do all the time? What a jerk!
22 posted on 06/19/2005 10:37:44 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: areafiftyone
We need to go after Iran, Syria, and North Korea to finish things off.
23 posted on 06/19/2005 10:38:35 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: areafiftyone

I know where Bin Laden is. He is in Dick Cheney's basement. THey were going to trot him out before the election but decided they didn't need him. Osama and the nefarious Cheney have become good friends. Dick takes him out on his shooting expeditions at the FBI shooting range at Quantico on weekends.


24 posted on 06/19/2005 10:39:44 AM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: Altair333
This is the outfit that picked ONE and only one target to bomb during the Serbian air war- the Chinese embassy.

If it were true that they only were allowed one target choice they used their choice well.

25 posted on 06/19/2005 10:40:07 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Natchez Hawk

PAKISTAN


26 posted on 06/19/2005 10:41:22 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocity of 11 Sept.)
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To: Sprite518
I do not care if Hillary is running against McCain

He's much more likly to run as her VP choice than against her.

27 posted on 06/19/2005 10:42:10 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: areafiftyone
"I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" Goss said in the interview.

If you were saying this for effect, better to have said, "I know where he is today, I knew where he was yesterday. And I've got a pretty good idea of where he'll be tomorrow and the day after that, too."

28 posted on 06/19/2005 10:49:56 AM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
I think the Paki-Afghan warlords are motivated by roughly equal parts of a) money; and b) ideology. With the continued growth of a stable, non-dictatorial government in Iraq, matched by the continual losses of the "insurgents" there, we have the slow drip, drip, drip of adherence to UBL-type ideology.

Eventually, more and more Muslims will start to believe that Allah is not with UBL or Al-Quaida after all. When that starts to happen, watch for the warlords to be amenable to bribes to turn him over. It'll be very quick after that.

29 posted on 06/19/2005 10:50:31 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: TADSLOS
but Bin Laden will be reading this news and may just get nervous enough to move around and get caught in the open. We'll see

Not in the Pakistan Border region he won't - And Director Goss knows this -

30 posted on 06/19/2005 10:51:17 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: COBOL2Java

"dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

Kind of says it all.


31 posted on 06/19/2005 10:53:12 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocity of 11 Sept.)
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To: ASA Vet
If it were true that they only were allowed one target choice they used their choice well.

Funny and I agree (especially for our involvement in Kosovo, that was probably our best target available)

32 posted on 06/19/2005 10:54:21 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: areafiftyone
I've wonder if the U.S. knows exactly where bin Laden is and is monitoring his communications and movements in order to gather intelligent on the al Qaeda network. Just a theory of mine.
33 posted on 06/19/2005 10:55:29 AM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I agree. If we are able to get the warlords to betray UBL and hand him over, that will be a trifecta (after Iraq and Zarquawi [still in the works]).


35 posted on 06/19/2005 10:58:59 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: DevSix
Alex, let's try OBL for $800.

Alex: Weak link in the war on terror.

What is Russia?

Alex: That's right. Pick again.

Alex, I'd like to take OBL for $1000...

Alex: Location where terrorist leader is hidden.

Umm... Where is Russia?

Alex: I'm afraid you'll have to be more specific.

Umm, what is Chechnya?
36 posted on 06/19/2005 10:59:14 AM PDT by kingu
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To: COBOL2Java
I think the Paki-Afghan warlords are motivated by roughly equal parts of a) money; and b) ideology. With the continued growth of a stable, non-dictatorial government in Iraq, matched by the continual losses of the "insurgents" there, we have the slow drip, drip, drip of adherence to UBL-type ideology.

Eventually, more and more Muslims will start to believe that Allah is not with UBL or Al-Quaida after all. When that starts to happen, watch for the warlords to be amenable to bribes to turn him over. It'll be very quick after that.

Agree with most of your overall sentiment here - Though, the warlords of the Pakistan border region are much more devoted to ideology than money (money is a distant second, in that they already have the money they need for their continued lifestyles).

But I do agree with you as freedom and self-worth spread throughout the Middle East this will begin to touch home in Pakistan as well - Once this begins to happen if UBL is still on the loose his days will be even that much more numbered.

It will definitely be interesting to see how his capture / killing plays out - An American Op based off "gathered Intel" or does one of the Pakistan warlords finally turn over on him?

Though, I do not suspect UBL is hiding under the house protection of one of these warlords (unless it is from a long time past associate / friend) - I more suspect he is simply ekking out a survival within this border region and the warlords are giving him a free pass (and of course providing assistance when he calls for it via human mules)

37 posted on 06/19/2005 11:01:57 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: zert_28
I've wonder if the U.S. knows exactly where bin Laden is and is monitoring his communications and movements in order to gather intelligent on the al Qaeda network. Just a theory of mine.

Would not surprise me in the least.

38 posted on 06/19/2005 11:02:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: johnb838

I know where Bin Laden is, he's hiding out at Gitmo,
but he hasn't learned how to set the air conditioning yet.


39 posted on 06/19/2005 11:04:06 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: F15Eagle
Muslim nations might hide OBL, but Arab countries would never dare to. The Saudi's are well aware of how fast they would be rolled over by the US military, and even France would be understanding if we lobbed a nuke into their government if Osama bin Laden was found there. Syria isn't stupid enough to do it either (I'll never understand our relationship with Syria, it is like we're friends who play at fighting to keep the rabble appeased.)
40 posted on 06/19/2005 11:04:39 AM PDT by kingu
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