Posted on 06/17/2005 11:08:07 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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You are soooo right. I pity you the flames you are about to receive, though.
Agreed.
You know, the one judge who wanted to hear the parents case, a liberal Clinton appointee.
This tells me all I need to know about this issue.
This was an internal family dispute, it had no business becoming a national media circus, it certainly had no business becoming top priority in Congress, and we shouldn't still be talking about it.
This should have been investigated at the time. I can't say I'm sorry to see it now,though.
Her best friend says that Michael and Terri had a big fight the day of her death, to the point of she didn't want her to go home. Michael was a little of a control freak, checking her odometer, etc. Terri had discussed divorcing him with her friend.
This was begging for an investigation. I don't understand why one wasn't done at the time.
Was Micheal a respiratory tech at this time? I am not clear on that.
Who is determining when citizens have to die? What authority do they have? Is an "end-of-life" panel making laws? And what about the progressive altering of those laws.
Posted by mercyme from undocumented source
"The 765 law was revised in 1999 to include "end-stage condition" as a reason to withdraw life prolonging procedures along with persistant vegetative state and terminal illness. This was also put into law. Geldart also redefines terminal illness as not just conditions that cause death, but "irreversible" conditions or conditions "with no reasonable chance of recovery". Felos used this definition for the argument that Terri is terminal because she has a "irreversible" neurological condition with no "reasonable hope for recovery".
Seems the public needs to be aware of just what is being decided and who is deciding regarding the ability to keep their constitutional rights of LIFE in that state and probably other states as well.
Interesting... If Schiavo had a part in this, then why didn't he just go ahead and kill her before the ambulance arrived? It appears, from what I've read, that it wouldn't have taken much effort nor would it have left physical evidence. Why would he permit even the remote chance that she might live if he wanted her dead? If he was clever enough to set all this up, then why wasn't he clever enough to plan to mention the same time each time he was interviewed?
Good point.
Did someone force you on this thread to talk about it?
Terri Schiavo died in 1990 when her brain died from lack of oxegen (which only takes 10 mins) after being without a pulse for almost 2 hours.
After reading through the 39 pages of the autopsy report, I question the bilemia explanation as well, even though I origionaly accepted it as likely. While I highly doubt that she recieved 1240ml of Iv fluids, during that period, which is a partial explaination for her reduced potassium levels, I do agree with heart medcations causing them to fall slightly. I don't think she was in good health however, because even in 1990 she had serious ostioperosis problems, caused by poor diet most likely, because she did loose 100 lbs rapidly.
She didn't have a heart attack, rather, something caused her heart to stop. Another cause of rapid pottasium depletion, as well as other blood chemistry, is a pancreatic attack. there is evidence of some pancreatic damage. A brain disorder is also suggested, but inconclusive because of the passage of time and disolving of brain matter into cerebrospinal fluid. (her brain wasn't shrunken, it was half the MASS of a noramal brain due to this global (complete) disolving of the cerebal neurons into fluid).If she did have a brain infection or disorder of some type, the evidence is lost.
I doubt that a further inquiry will discover anything further. The autopsy investigation into the events on feb 25 1990 begins with a 911 call at 540 am. it does not mention that her husband discovered her earlier, at 5 am or 430 am. This is interesting, although it may just be a memory lapse after passage of time. Her brother Bobby was also there, so it may be easly answered.
And what fish would those be? Seems to me that a non-criminal citizen being ordered to death by a state would be a pretty freakin' big fish.
He took medical training as a nurse but that was after her "incident".
Uh no, but I'm just sick and tired of this Schiavo thing, we're fighting a war right now, we are in need of an energy policy, and we have various foreign relations problems popping up across the world.
An internal family dispute does not belong in the federal courts, and it does not belong on the National News. Especially when most of those politicians didn't even really give a damn about the family. They were just jumping on a bandwagon so they could get some political points. I think Jebs motives were pure, I can't say the same about Congress.
And one thing no one here ever considers. If the federal courts had ruled that Terri had to be kept on life support, then a few years later, some liberal lawyer defending a condemned convict would have come along and attempted to create a precedent argument based on the Schiavo case.
Apples and Oranges, but when you're dealing with courts, as we all know, anything is possible.
But it's better than nothing.
A lot of things need to change besides Michael Schiavo being brought down. The laws need to be changed I think on the Federal Level that all types of Euthanasia/killing of the handicapped in this country should be made illegal, especially if they have no written directive. This case has so many parts of it that went wrong for Terri. Florida let her down and allowed her HINO to put her down like a dog, and our Federal Justice system let her down after Bush signed into law Terri's law 2. It is a disgrace and I pray to God our country will do the right thing and change the laws!
What life support was she on other than nutrition? I'm having smoked tuna for "life support" as I type.
Too late? Is there a statute of limitations on these kinds of criminal investigations in Florida?
The federal government has no business getting involved
This is an issue for each state to decide, according to each states values and mores
Before Roe v. Wade, there was no national ban on abortion, abortions were up to each state regarding legality, and I think a few states had them legal (CT, HI?)
"Wonder if this has a chance in Florida?"
Dunno, but I doubt it, since there is so much buddy-buddy corruption in the state, esp. Pinellas Co.
BTW, here's another thread with the same story. The comments on that thread turned into a Bush-bash, too. Check my post # 32.
GOV. BUSH CALLS FOR SCHIAVO PROBE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424852/posts
One of the reasons we are so very upset about this case is that it does set precedents for each and every one of us in this country.
It means the state can kill citizens based on "criteria".
It means that every man or woman finding themselves in a coma or "other criteria" can be killed based on a mate remembering "they once mentioned they did not want to live if in any coma".
It means that the euthanasia movement is progressing through our laws and finding ways to "remove some".
It means that man now decides death - not a God determined end to life.
All kinds of precedents. Which is why Terri woke many of us up to what is going on.
Pinged from the Dailies site:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416995/posts?page=513#513
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