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Bush Asks for Schiavo Investigation
TBO.com News; AP ^ | June 17, 2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/17/2005 11:08:07 AM PDT by ClancyJ

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To: Nathan Zachary

Complete official autopsy report here:


http://boortz.com/mp3/archive/schiavoreport.pdf


101 posted on 06/17/2005 3:39:57 PM PDT by eartotheground
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To: libertylass

sorry for the duplication...


102 posted on 06/17/2005 3:40:48 PM PDT by libertylass
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To: brundle_seth

This story will never die. Why? Because we must never forget what they did to Terri. It can never be allowed to happen again. NEVER!


103 posted on 06/17/2005 3:41:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: TheCrusader

Michael Schiavo received a huge settlement based on a lie. I have always wondered why some of the jurors who sat on the original case have not come forward, not to mention the medical personnel involved.

Funny how the media spun the autopsy.


104 posted on 06/17/2005 3:43:37 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser

I really don't have any regret that Jessie Jackson showed up, whatever
his motivation.

He was a great comfort to the Schindlers.

Also, he returned to Tallahasse to lobby the members of
the Black Caucus as a follow up to encourage them to carry
legislation which could possibly save Terri.

Regrettably, Terri died before it could succeed.

I had never been a JJ supporter but I pray that his involvment
may return him to his pro-life roots.


105 posted on 06/17/2005 3:52:48 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: ClancyJ; Clara Lou

What I remember reading was that she was bad enough that she was on a respirator in the hospital for a while, but then recovered a bit and she started breathing on her own.

So, she may have appeared to be dead. Apparently there is a distinction between a heart attack and a cardian arrest, but I'm not sure what the differences are. Anyone wants to answer that, fine. If not, I'll ask my wife when she gets in (she's an RN).


106 posted on 06/17/2005 3:56:32 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Seems to me that the investigation should have been done BEFORE she died was starved to death.

I agree.
107 posted on 06/17/2005 3:58:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: planekT

cardian arrest = cardiac arrest.

typing too fast. need....spell...checker.


108 posted on 06/17/2005 3:58:42 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Autopsy highlights:

T11 endplate fracture (possibly correllates with bone scan)

Renal scar (right)

Heart normal (no evidence of "heart attack" or MI)

"Manner of death: Undetermined"

Dr. Stephen Nelson, Neuropathologist, in a report contained within the autopsy report: "The persistent vegetative state and minimally conscious state are clinical diagnoses, not pathologic ones. The neurophysiologic findings of the persistent vegetative state have been well described in the medical literature ... yet there are no similarly published neurophysiologic descriptions specific to the minimally conscious state".

"In diffuse axonal injury this abnormality is usually due to a shearing injury after acute trauma".

"Neurophysiologic examination alone of the decedent's brain - or any brain for that matter - cannot prove or disprove a diagnosis of persistent vegetative state or minimally conscious state".

From the remainder of the report by Dr. Thogmartin:

"The dosage of epinephrine she recieved was sufficient ... to cause ... lowering of potassium. Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that Mrs. Schiavo's potassium level... measured after a period of ventricular fibrillation, epinephrine, and fluid administration was an unreliable measure of her pre-arrest potassium level. Thus, the main piece of evidence supporting a diagnosis of Bulimia Nervosa is suspect or, at least, can be explained by her clinical condition at the time of the blood draw. Although in the malpractice proceedings the low protein values were suggested as indicators of malnutrition, this is unlikely and not generally characteristic of Bulimia Nervosa."

"Autopsy examination of her neck structures 15 years after her initial collapse did not detect any signs of remote trauma, but, with such a delay, the exam was unlikely to show any residual neck findings. Even bony anomalies would have likely resolved." (or suffocated, n.b.)

"What was the cause and manner of death? Mrs. Schiavo suffered a severe anoxic brain injury. The cause of which cannot be determined with reasonable medical certainty. The manner of death will therefore be certified as undetermined".


109 posted on 06/17/2005 4:01:18 PM PDT by eartotheground (now that someone has read the autopsy report, perhaps the MSM will change their stories? NAAH)
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To: ClancyJ; Clara Lou; All
I've seen some bones of contention on the difference between cardiac arrest and heart attack. Here is Mrs. planekT's take on it.


The distinction between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest is this:

Heart attack is a layman term. It can mean many things, but is generally associated with a myocardial infarction. This generally occurs when there is a blood clot in one of the heart vessels that cuts off oxygen supply to the heart muscle which in turns damages the heart muscle. Heart attacks could also be associated with life threatening arrhythmia's as well. If the myocardial infarction is severe enough or the arrhythmia is life threatening, cardiac arrest may ensue, which is basically when the heart stops beating or goes into an arrhythmia that can not sustain life.

Mrs. planekT
110 posted on 06/17/2005 4:42:03 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: ClancyJ
Jeb Bush? Jeb Bush?

Oh yea! I remember him. He was gov. of Florida and didn't do much of anything when that poor girl was starved to death. Her parents and family had to watch her slowly die. Later they tried to make a big deal out of her autopsy deatils in an attempt to justify her murder.

Shortly after her death Bush got ahold of some poll data showing that his political career was pretty much toast because of what he did. Or rather, because of what he didn't do because he would not put his political future on the line. So he called for some kind of lame investigation that never went anywhere.

What ever happened to him?

111 posted on 06/17/2005 7:45:57 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: ClancyJ

He's running in 2012.

Panderbear.


112 posted on 06/17/2005 9:04:46 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: conservative blonde

What complete crap. That assertion that its his fault and no one elses is bias pure and simple, yet you state it as fact. Lets not go there again, shall we?


113 posted on 06/17/2005 9:12:38 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Seems to me that the investigation should have been done BEFORE she died.

I think the statute of limitations had passed by the time her parents saw the radiology reports a few years back.

Now she's dead, and if Michael was involved in her death, he might possibly be prosecutable.

114 posted on 06/17/2005 9:29:52 PM PDT by syriacus (Did Margaret Hassan "disappear" because she knew the Oil for Food program failed to help Iraqis?)
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To: planekT

Difference between heart attack & cardiac arrest explained here: http://www.aedhelp.com/sca/sca_same.cfm

Also, heart attacks leave artefacts; cardiac arrest does not, IIRC.


115 posted on 06/17/2005 10:12:38 PM PDT by elli1
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To: elli1

Thanks for the link.

Like a lot of people I never knew the difference between the two.

That link says you've only got ten minutes to get help if your heart just suddenly stops beating.

That's not much time.


116 posted on 06/18/2005 7:51:21 AM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: GVgirl

I think I read that it was June 28, 2005.


117 posted on 06/18/2005 10:34:21 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: isthisnickcool
Jeb did everything he could.

Agree or disagree with his views in this, he's not backing away, as Frist did. Jeb is no hypocrite.

118 posted on 06/18/2005 10:36:55 AM PDT by veronica (Mimes and clowns are weird...)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You nailed it, DJ. Why is a feeding tube so "artificially" different from the many treatments commonly received by so many to sustain life. Add kidney dialysis to your list.
My husband gets a shot 4x a year to prevent the advance of cancer. Who has a problem with the ever-increasing solutions of the medical field?

Florida lawmakers decided to decree that feeding tubes fall into the same category as life-support only recently.
Was it 1999? That year Terri Schiavo's right to live was in jeopardy.

We all have reason to fear that some circumstance just may put our right to live in the hands of the government.
Hopefully, more U.S. citizens will wake up to the threat.


119 posted on 06/18/2005 10:13:10 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: IIntense
Florida lawmakers decided to decree that feeding tubes fall into the same category as life-support only recently. Was it 1999? That year Terri Schiavo's right to live was in jeopardy.

It was 99. And it was part of an "End of Life" Bill. It specifically stated that Florida has one of the largest elderly populations. There needs to be more dicussion of that Bill as the retirees should know just "what" they're retiring to.

Section 1. End-of-life care.--

26 (1)(a) The Legislature finds that Florida, as the

27 fourth most populous state, is highly diverse with regard to

28 race, ethnicity, urban and rural locales, religious practices,

29 and cultural traditions. Florida has the largest percentage of

30 elderly residents, the third largest incidence of AIDS, and

1 the fourth highest death rates from heart disease and chronic

2 obstructive pulmonary disease in the nation.

3 (b) The Legislature finds that the Panel for the Study

4 of End-of-Life Care has recommended policies that will assure

5 the citizens of this state the highest quality of

6 compassionate, competent, and adequate end-of-life care.

Florida House of Representatives - 1999 HB 2131

120 posted on 06/18/2005 11:45:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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