[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks to SittinYonder for providing the link to this important document.

We believe this does represent his words on that date.

[GOP_1900AD]

SEDITION!!!!

[... we need to dust off the Sedition Act of 1918 .... for currently, there is nothing we can do about sedition ...]

[FlingWingFlyer]

Little Dick is just concerned that his terrorists pals aren't being treated like kings. They hate America. He hates America. They are peas in a pod. Bin Durbin and the terrorists have a common enemy. US.

[The Shrew]

Any chance anyone knows where to get Digital Audio of this 'speech?'

Thanks for the post.

TS

[traviskicks]

I think the most effective way is to email his contributers:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00004981&cycle=2004

Hurt him where it counts!

[Zacs Mom]

[sirthomasthemore]

GOP has to reinforce the reasons why we're in Iraq, and remind Americans (as memories of 9/11 fade into a battle of who makes money at Ground Zero) that terrorism remains a real threat.

Durbin and the Dems are politicizing terrorism to their advantage, Where we are losing the battle to the DEMS and media as to our presence in Iraq, Durbin's comments present an opportunity for the GOP to reaffirm the basis for our war on terrorism and regain public support.

GOP has to frame this issue, and drum it home.

Therefore,all out war on Durbin---censure or resignation!

[PureTrouble]

A country has to sign the agreement so that if there is a war the country is legally bound to the articles in the Geneva Convention. Thus the Tali ban soldiers were returned after the war.

The only people at gitmo are the foreigners who were not part of any countries military. So there was a question to ask. What do you do with these guys and where do you put them? How do you treat them? In this case, the prisoners there have been well treated.

The only problem is that the US will release these guys to the country the guys says he is from if the country asks. But other countries are not asking, because they do not want these guys back or they say these guys do not belong to their country.

Now, is the US violating the Geneva Convention? Well to be eligible for the treatment you have to belong to a country that has signed the Geneva Convention and you have to formally be a soldier and wear a uniform from that country(actual county army participation). In the case of the people at gitmo, they were not part of another countries army so they don't fall under the treatment of the Geneva Convention.

The US is treating the prisoners at gitmo per the Geneva Convention. And when the War on terror is over, I believe that the US will release these guys. The problem is the WOT is not over so there is no reason to release them.

[marblehead17]

ping

[Thumbellina]

Video link found here: http://treyjackson.typepad.com/junction/2005/06/video_durbin_un.html

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Most have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq, but some people who never raised arms against us have been taken prisoner far from the battlefield.

Where is the battlefield and what about the Financiers?

[Shaka]

pinged for later, in case he tries to weasel out of his lies.

[YOUGOTIT]

Durbin is a TRAITOR. If terrorist are to be treated as POWs in accordance with the convention, then the people who did the first World trade Center Bombing should be sent home as they were committing acts under the protection of the Geneva Convention.

But the Convention is clear if you are not representing a country and have no uniform and are not part of a legal armed force then you can be executed for any act that brings or attempts to bring harm to the civilians or the military of the Nation you are attacking.

[SpinyNorman]

"During the Civil War, President Lincoln, one of our greatest presidents, suspended habeas corpus, which gives prisoners the right to challenge their detention. The Supreme Court stood up to the President and said prisoners have the right to judicial review even during war.

Let me read what that Court said:

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions could be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism.

Mr. President, those words still ring true today. The Constitution is a law for this administration, equally in war and in peace. If the Constitution could withstand the Civil War, when our nation was literally divided against itself, surely it will withstand the war on terrorism."

1) the soldiers of the Civil war, of both sides, were AMERICAN CITIZENS and subject to our Constitution, be they "rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances." The terrorists are not. Even the ones that are, by taking sides with enemies of the U.S., should be either shot as traitors, or stripped of their citizenship and treated as one of the foreign terrorists.

If Turban Durbin wants to apply the Constitution to all the people of the world, then let him start with oppressed peoples (like Iraq for instance?) rather than terrorists. He is applying the ACLU standard of more rights for criminals than honest citizens.

2) the detainees are not even subject to the Geneva Convention stipulations, as they are neither signatories nor abide by any of the rules therein.

[Congressman Billybob]

Yep, I'm on the case of Dickie Durbin. He is a disgrace, even when measured only against Democrat Senators (which is a very low standard). The FR poll and FR discussions on Durbin inspired me to write my column immediately and to file it early.

See below.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Say It Isn't So, Dickie Boy"