Posted on 06/16/2005 4:54:34 PM PDT by CHARLITE
International terrorism experts say the situation in Iraq has diverted the attention of Islamic extremists away from the West. But they believe the threat to the West will resume, once violence in Iraq subsides.
International terrorism experts say terror networks are focusing on their fight in Iraq, temporarily reducing the dangers faced by Western countries that have been targets in the past. But Italian Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu, speaking recently to journalists at Rome's foreign press club, say this will change once the situation in Iraq is resolved.
"I think we need to need to concern ourselves with a return of the terrorists who went to Iraq," he said. "Once the Iraqi situation has calmed down, they will tend to return to Europe, as occurred with Bosnia, at the end of the Balkan wars."
Mr. Pisanu added that the network of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaida leader of insurgents in Iraq, is more interested in fighting the West in that country than in Europe or in the United States.
Retired U.S. army colonel and international terrorism expert Vittorfranco Pisano agrees with the Italian Interior minister. He says the American and allied intervention in Iraq has definitely concentrated resistance efforts against the United States in particular and westerners in general.
"The focus is elsewhere right now," he said. "The focus is on Iraq. This has caused a diversion in terms of the emphasis that Islamic extremists attribute to targets."
Western countries massively stepped up security measures following the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States. Interior Minister Pisanu says those measures are still in place in Italy and preparations are being made for when terrorists active in Iraq come back.
"Prevention measures were tightened significantly throughout Europe," he said. "In Italy, 1,300 sensitive targets are under surveillance and clearly this also discourages potential terrorists."
Dozens of terror suspects have been arrested in Italy, since the terror attacks on the United States. Seventy-five people suspected of illegal activities linked to terrorism have been arrested during the past year. But most have either been released, acquitted during trial or convicted of only minor crimes, such as falsifying documents. One expert noted that of 500 people arrested for terrorism in the European Union, only a couple of dozen have been convicted.
Interior Minister Pisanu notes that magistrates face problems because the legal systems in democratic states were not designed to handle the issues presented by modern terrorism.
"Our juridical culture, our democratic system has not yet adapted to the characteristics of this threat and are therefore finding it difficult to respond with the needed effectiveness," he said.
Italy's legal system introduced the charge of "subversive association," aimed at international terrorism, shortly after the U.S. terror attacks. But magistrates have yet to convict anyone of this crime. Experts, such as Colonel Pisano, say the matter is not simple because there is no agreement on what constitutes terrorism.
"There is no definition available either at the universal level, global level or at the regional level, which reflects the real nature of terrorism," he said. "Substantially terrorism is a form of unconventional conflict characterized by the three elements. The first of these is criminal violence, the second is political or political-religious motivation, and the third is made up of clandestine structures and dynamics."
Terrorism experts say Italy has been mainly used as a logistics base, where cells based mostly in the north of the country are active in recruitment and manufacturing false papers.
Police wiretaps have intercepted what are said to be discussions of terror plans between members of Islamic cells based in Italy and elsewhere. But Colonel Pisano says Italy has not been a prime terror target because it is viewed more as a base of operations for terror cells.
"Italy is an excellent quarter or bridge in terms of linking the Balkans, the Middle East, North Africa with Europe and the western world itself. It has been a matter of convenience to exploit Italy from this standpoint, instead of actually conducting terrorist attacks as such," he said.
Italian intelligence information, made public last year, said the country has been used as a departure point for suicide attackers, linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network, active against allied forces in Iraq.
And there we have what I have always said was the most important part of the war ... like moths to a flame. We fight there so we don't have to fight here.
One thing tha tthe critics of the war are correct about is that Iraq is providing a trainig nground for future Al Qaedas.
Afghanistan from 1979-90 is where Al Qaeda got there start.
It is possible that without the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, there would have been no Al Qaeda. the nyou can play all sorts of guessing games. No Jimmy Carter, no USSR invasion, No Watergate, No Jimmy Carter...No John Dean, no Watergate....so there its all your fauly John Dean
Terrorism is not a hobby.
There are a limited number of terrorists. Often, they are known to state security apparatus (as were many of the 9/11 hijackers, so what one does with the information matters a great deal).
Remember President Bush said "Bring it on." This is the outcome he was hoping for. Yes, Iraq is a dangerous place for people who thought they were signing up to be REMFs, but we have no choice but to turn the Army into an expeditionary force and for every infantryman to be a rifleman.
Spot on. This aspect of the War is going about as well as possible.
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One thing tha tthe critics of the war are correct about is that Iraq is providing a trainig nground for future Al Qaedas.
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But we are also getting valuable combat/intelligence gathering experience as well.
Terrorism has been around for a long, long time. Terrorists have played havoc in North America before the United States was formed and terrorism will continue globally for the foreseeable future. What has changed with terrorism is the cellular, transferable and morpheable creature it operates in as an islamic army force structure and the sophisticated methodologies of attack now within islamic terrorists grasp, to include the real threat of WMD.
The only way to totally defeat its current, most destructive form is to wipe islam off the global map....and I don't give that option much chance of happening...yet.
Unless, of course, we kill off enough of the terrorists (and the leaders of the sponsoring states) to make them trivial. Oh, but what am I thinking - Western liberal utopian loser societies aren't allowed to do that!
Maybe not in name, but the reason the Soviets wanted to dominate Afghanistan was to control their Muslim republics, which already seethed with that jihadi sentiment. That goes waaaay back. In the Middle East, the Muslim Brotherhood has been a problem since the 40s. The names are changing (Muslim Brotherhood, Al Aqsa Martyrs, Hezbollah, Allah's Arseholes, you name it) but the jihadi fascist spirit is the same.
I'd say the whole thing is going about as well as possible, excepting the useful idiots at home. Dick Durbin, ACLU et al. are making the situation worse. But as far as a war goes, this one has been a pretty spectacular success.
US REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF)The Pentagon announced today the formation of a new 500 man elite fighting unit called the US REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF).
These North Carolina, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia,Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Tennessee boys will be dropped into Iraq and have been given the following facts about the Terrorists:
1. The season opened today.
2. There is no limit.
3. They taste just like chicken.
4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus.
5. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of Dale Earnhart.This mess in Iraq should be over IN A WEEK!!
But what if Churchill and Roosevelt said (because of the many citizens of German and Japanese ancestry in the U.S. and U.K.) we are not at war with Germany or Japan. We are war with aeroplanes and their pilots.
Is that not a lie?
But our country is lying. Our men and women are dying...for a lie.
I think the Truth will set us free!
Once Iraq is stabilized, I like to see it used as a spring board to roll back the tide of islamic oppression... keeping the pressure on them...
Germany and Japan are nations. Islam is a religion. You can declare war on a country, but...
Correct. Islam must be exposed as the evil and fraud that it is, and then destroyed!
There you go again, Freddie, gettin to the ole point.
Nasty ain't it...changes the paradigm.
But, O'course, you hit the nail on the head.
It will kill us unless we stop it...
and there is only one way to stop it...
Islam gotta die!
"Islam gotta die!"
Or go back where it came from. Desert nomads. When the West drilled the oil fields, we cast pearls before swine.
Shape of things to come in Iraq (and the world over)
• The elections are held in Iraq
• Sunni clerics denounce elections
• Voters are killed on election day in Terror attacks
• But election results are announced
• Sunni turnout is less than 20%
• Sunni clerics reject results
• Shia dominated govt is formed
• Sunnis call for US troops to leave
• New Shia dominated govt calls for phased pullout of US forces
• US forces begin a phased pullout
• They re-locate outside the cities in isolated fortified camps
• Terrorists blow off Iraqi parliament, Presidential palace Prime Minister’s residence
• Terrorists assassinate Ministers, Parliamentarians
• A full scale civil war starts between the Sunni dominated insurgents and the new Shia and Kurd Iraqi military
• Iran sends in insurgents to back Shias
• Saudis, Syrians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Palestinians send in insurgents to back Sunnis
• Saudis and Kuwaitis call for US action to stop Iran from intensifying the Iraqi civil war
• US seizes the opportunity and bombs Iranian nuke facilities
• Iran tries to crash missiles into Israel and Europe
• Internal rebellion breaks out in Iran
• US special forces start operating inside Iran to topple Mullah regime
• Iranian/Hezbollah forces stage terrorist attacks in Israel and in the West
• US launches an air blitz of Iran followed by a land invasion and sets up a new regime
• The Shah of Iran returns to Iran as a private citizen
• Shia-Hezbollah led terror attacks across the West and Israel intensify
• Israel invades Lebanon to wipe out the Hezbollah threat
• Egypt/Syria threaten Israel with serious consequences.
• Terrorist attacks originating from Gaza intensify in Israel
• Israel warns Syria with military action
• Spectacular mega terror attack in Israel
• Israel declares Syria to be culpable and launches a swift land and air assault on Syria
• Syria appeals for Arab military action to save itself
• Egypt, Jordan and Saudis start military action against Israel
• Israel overruns Jordan to join up with US forces stationed in Iraq
• Israel occupies Damascus
• US forces enter Syria from Syrian-Iraqi border in the North, join up with Israeli military
• After the conquest of Syria, Israel turns on Egypt, annexes Sinai, crosses Suez Canal and threatens Cairo
• Mecca, Medina, Mena, Jiddah taken off the map thru IAF (Israel Air Force) nuke strikes
• Upheaval in the entire Arab world
• Western diplomats and businessmen attacked, kidnapped, beheaded
• Anti-American riots in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia.
• Musharraf and Yudhyono regimes under tremendous pressure to give up pro-US stance
• Musharraf assassinated by pro-Jihadi elements in Army due to his association with the US. The Jihadis last straw being his helping the Americans in finding Iran's nuke sites as a trade off for letting AQ Khan off the hook. But Mushy's gamble does not pay off, as he loses his job and life.
• Jihadi regime in Pakistan ups hostility with India
• Jihadis succeed in smuggling nuclear devices in the US and exploding them simultaneously
• US army takes over US administration, suspends constitution
• US military regime blockades the UN and declares it persona non-grata
• US enters into emergency war council with Russia and Britain
• The triple alliance starts nuclear bombing military targets across the Islamic world
• Pakistani nukes taken out in first strike
• Pakistan explodes some nuke devices on India
• Indian retaliation wipes off Pakistan off the map – death toll in South Asia is over half a billion
• Widespread Hindu-Muslim riots in India on the lines of the Gujarat riots of 2002. Muslim population decimated, Hindus and Christians also suffer heavy death toll.
• Nuclear campaign launched by the triple alliance intensifies as many cities in the Islamic world are taken off the map to wipe off the air forces.
• Seaports in the Islamic world crippled to decapitate the navies
• Radiation causes second wave of deaths. The toll in secondary deaths more than three billion
• More than half of the fatalities are Muslims.
• Almost the entire population in the Muslim world is decimated.
• China joins war against Islam, wipes off Muslim (Ughir) population in Eastern Turkestan
• Muslims in Europe launch a wave of terror attacks in European capitals
• Conditions in Europe very disturbed in a civil war like situation
• Right wing coups in France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark. The new regimes join the triple alliance
• Widespread anti-Muslim riots in Europe aided by the militaries of those countries and NATO forces
• Domestic military action against Muslims in Europe intensifies as European militaries do combing operations to flush out Muslims
• The post-war Muslim population worldwide now accounts for only one percent of the global population concentrated mostly in Europe
• Military action ends, US, Britain and Russia announce reconstruction plan for the world
• Islam outlawed across the globe
• Residual Muslims worldwide embrace Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Judaism
• Humanity enters post-Islamic phase.
This write-up has been compiled based on analysis by Seymour Hersh and information at the following sites; Stratfor.org, Rand.org, Military.com
Hey, brother...you have lived among the enemy...I am just guessing.
I hope that this evil can be rolled back.
Can Satan be rolled back?
My best to you and your family! "Oh, to be in England!"
"Oh, to be in England!"
Good heavens no! Too many mooselimbs there. I'm going to Tasmania! No one can find you there...
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