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Juror: Jackson 'Probably' A Molester
NBC10.com ^ | June 14, 2005

Posted on 06/14/2005 1:53:54 AM PDT by Mo1

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To: MinuteGal
An interesting theory is that the current lack of religion in people's lives has created a vacuum......a vacuum filled by worshiping public figures. Jackson is a god to these aimless and immature people. Their very existence and salvation depended on Whacko being set free after an "unjustified" crucifixtion. It's very cultish.

I never thought of that before ... but I think you are correct

I have never understood the cult like actions of people towards celebrities

61 posted on 06/14/2005 5:22:38 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: snarks_when_bored

I had never read that short story but have read Anderson years ago. Thanks, it was compelling.


62 posted on 06/14/2005 5:26:10 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Mo1

I hate to say it, but the jury apparently did what they were supposed to, based on a reasonable doubt. I think MJ's guilty, but I was not on that panel. Therefore, my opinion means naught.


63 posted on 06/14/2005 5:26:18 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: HHFi
Personally, I don't think these 12 dunderheads would have found him guilty if he'd been charged with having a nose job.

From what I've heard of their "reasoning" I have to agree. There seems to be no one on the jury who had an ounce of common sense. They were determined to let Jackson go free.

64 posted on 06/14/2005 5:28:28 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: Mo1
great, even the jurors think he probably molested young boys, but let him go.

I think his and the boys fingerprints on the same page of the gay magazine was enough evidence for me. Not to mention the boys ability to draw MJ's penis.

Face it, another rich guy with good lawyers just flipped the bird at our judicial system.

I fully expect MJ to continue busing in young boys to his theme park to amuse himself. God help them all.
65 posted on 06/14/2005 5:38:05 AM PDT by Nyboe (Liberals don't believe in Freedom, just free stuff)
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To: Restorer
"Sleeping is not a lewd act"..

If you found your young son sleeping in the same bed with an adult man, what would you assume was going on?

Nevermind, it's Michael Jackson, and he is just showing them how much he loves them with warm milk and cookies after wards.

His defenders paint a picture of a persecuted Saint.

66 posted on 06/14/2005 5:38:19 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: snarks_when_bored
A link to a short story by Sherwood Anderson (1876-1941):

Great story. Thanks for the link.

67 posted on 06/14/2005 5:41:03 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: garbanzo
f a kid fell asleep in Jacko's bed while watching a movie, I don't think that's all that bad.

Umm its still wrong, MJ should have slept in one of the other ten thousand rooms in that side show called neverland. As an Adult you dont sleep in bed with kids who are not your own..

I think Jackson is an idiot for phrasing this in such a way that it sounds like he's spooning ten-year-olds.

No hes not an idiot hes sick. Is he a pedophile? I would think so but it seems it has not been pr oven. Is he mentally Ill you bet...

68 posted on 06/14/2005 5:47:24 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (posted on my brand new mac mini...)
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To: Always Right

I have the same system you do. The man clearly molested this little boy and others.
Just because the mother is unlikeable does not mean Jackson did not hurt these children.

I cannot understand why so many people on this thread think justice was served in this case. I wonder how many of the same think O.J. is innocent for the same reasons.


69 posted on 06/14/2005 5:48:43 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Always Right

My other point is, just because a jury voted unanimously for something does not mean it is a just verdict. "The jury listened to all the evidence, blah, blah, blah...." well sometimes lack of intelligence and reasoning skills, and over-emotionality, pandered to by racial guilt or vengeance, leads to injust verdicts.

As I believe was the case here. And Robert Blake. And O.J.


70 posted on 06/14/2005 5:52:56 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Restorer

Me sleeping in the same bed with my own son is a lot different than than an unrelated man getting my boy in the same bed to sleep with him. And actually, either my boy or I would probabbly choose a floor to sleep on rather than the same bed at this point in our lives.

I'm not sure how anyone could justify a 40 year old man in the same bed with a 13 year old kid is simply wrong on its face. Qualifies as "lewd behavior with a child" in my book. Felony? Ho. That gets reserved for an actual proven sexual assault or sex act. This jury should have at least sent MJ a message - "While you're on this planet, buddy, stay out of the same bed that an unrelated kid is sleeping in".

IMHO, this rises to an equivalent level of, say, Pee Wee Herman, pleasuring himself in a movie theater showing gay porn, two homos engaged in a consensual sex act in a park restroom, or the guy exposing himself in a grocery store. Not a felony, but against the standards and mores of our society, and a misdemeanor.


71 posted on 06/14/2005 5:57:26 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Born in California, Texan by the Grace of God.])
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To: Jay Howard Smith

It would be great if he gets busted in Bangkok. He wouldnt get off if caught. He would have to do real time, in a real prison!


72 posted on 06/14/2005 6:06:37 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: Marauder

The same thing happened with OJ.

The prosecutors spent way too much time on DNA evidence that was way over the heads of these minimally-intelligent people on the jury. And the domestic violence angle did not fly either.

If they had stuck to simple blood evidence-- blood in the Bronco, blood drops in the hall BEFORE the vials were collected, OJ's blood at the crime scene, etc, they would have had a better chance. Of course the worse blunder in criminal history was the glove, because the jury was too stupid to figure out that blood would make the glove shrink, number one, and that trying to put a tight fitting glove over latex is impossible. There were enormous mistakes in that trial, but the worst mistake was the location of the trial and that miserable jury pool.

It seems you cannot win with celebrity-struck dunderheads anyway. It is pathetic.


73 posted on 06/14/2005 6:15:31 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: laredo44
Someone posted on another thread that the jury would have had a difficult time convicting Jackson only on the alcohol charges, because the formal charge was "serving alcohol to a minor with the intent of molesting him" or something like that. If the jury wasn't going to convict him of molesting the child, then they couldn't really convict him of the alcohol charge, either.

I'll stand corrected on that if I'm wrong, but that's how someone explained it to me this morning.

74 posted on 06/14/2005 6:42:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Marauder
Yes I remember gutless Gil. He chose the wrong venue for the OJ trial, downtown versa Santa Monica, to make it easier for him to appear on TV.

IMO we now have a multiple murderer free on the links as a result of Garcetti's ego.
75 posted on 06/14/2005 7:30:16 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: spectre
Nevermind, it's Michael Jackson, and he is just showing them how much he loves them with warm milk and cookies after wards.

No, it's warm milk and cookies first. That's part of the seduction.

For the afterwards he throws $100 bills at them.

76 posted on 06/14/2005 9:41:47 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: BigCinBigD
A celebrity can not be convicted of a crime in California.

Not quite accurate. Of course there have been thousands of inaccurate statements regarding this case and California.

I can quickly think of one celebrity, and no doubt there are more.

In 1990, Christian Brando shot and killed the lover of Brando's daughter in in Beverly Hills. Christian Brando was eventually found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years.

77 posted on 06/14/2005 9:55:40 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: spectre

You'll get no defense of Jackson from me. However, as I understand it, the definition of "lewd act" requires some sort of inappropriate physical contact. "Just sleeping" doesn't qualify. Juries are not allowed to redefine crimes to send a message.

I happen not to have a son, but if I did MJ wouldn't get anywhere near him.


78 posted on 06/14/2005 9:58:27 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: N3WBI3
Umm its still wrong, MJ should have slept in one of the other ten thousand rooms in that side show called neverland. As an Adult you dont sleep in bed with kids who are not your own..

I think we'll agree to disagree on this point, but I'll point out that I think there's a difference between inviting someone to your bed and simply crashing with them after a late night.

79 posted on 06/14/2005 3:53:37 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: garbanzo
I think we'll agree to disagree on this point, but I'll point out that I think there's a difference between inviting someone to your bed and simply crashing with them after a late night.

Both are inappropriate..

80 posted on 06/14/2005 5:08:01 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (posted on my brand new mac mini...)
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