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To: CSM
I am for taking the fight to the terrorists and moving the termites nest away from America.

I am not for permanently removing the rights of American citizens as I am a Constitutionalist. I due however strongly feel that we do need to give up some rights at the time of war just like we did during WW2.
I remember my mother telling us how they had a curfew on leaving the lights on near the coast. My grandmother stated to me they had to ration everything.

I wonder how much Americans are focused on entitlements rather than rights when it comes to preventative measures to preserve our freedom?
128 posted on 06/13/2005 12:06:46 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

Rations wouldn't be necessary if the free market were allowed to work. If prices were allowed to rise in tragic times, people would self ration. People would still be free to chose how to spend their resources.

Your example of rationing is a far cry from the Patriot Act.


133 posted on 06/13/2005 12:09:34 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: april15Bendovr
I wonder how much Americans are focused on entitlements rather than rights when it comes to preventative measures to preserve our freedom?

bend over again...

You state you are a constitutionalist. On what grounds should the Bill of Rights be suspended?

I own houses in four states, thousands of miles apart. Two are out west, and two are here in the east. On the way out last fall, I entered into Oklahoma on I-40 heading west. I was traveling with a group of cars, at ONE MILE OVER THE POSTED LIMIT. I had committed no illegal acts, nor was doing anything unusual, but my car was singled out to pull over.

I challenged the stop, as soon as the cop came alongside my car. After a little debate, the officer asked me if I was carrying (insert long list here) anything illegal. I asked him for a reason why he asked the question, and he started getting belligerent with me... I did not back up from him, but pressed for him to acknowledge he was fishing...

Know your rights. They will keep you OUT OF TROUBLE!

I will categorically state that anyone naive enough to think that one item of the Patriot Act has prevented another attack, probably should get help.

Or, just talk to the Santa. He will understand...


162 posted on 06/13/2005 12:37:38 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: april15Bendovr

The "rights" you speak of are not the same as the rights in the BOR. The rights being eroded under the Patriot Act are some enumerated in the BOR and are considered un-alienable, or rights inherent in being a person, often referred to as natural rights.

The glorious thing about the founding of our country is that, for the first time in human history, the natural rights of mankind were to be protected by a government created for that very purpose!

We are losing those rights.


175 posted on 06/13/2005 1:37:49 PM PDT by PaRebel (Self Defense: an unalienable right!)
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To: april15Bendovr
Good evening.
"I remember my mother telling us how they had a curfew on leaving the lights on near the coast. My grandmother stated to me they had to ration everything."

Did your mom and gramma also tell you about warrantless searches and Carnivore?

Michael Frazier
378 posted on 06/16/2005 2:57:45 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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