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To: iconoclast
The New Right aka the Conservative Movement of the 1960s and 1970s IS the conservative movement and consists of the actual conservatives.

Contrary to the fantasies of the "paleo""conservatives" and of the New Republic and of the Nation and of leftist pundits, the "neoconservatives" are a handful of surviving NYC nonogenarians who attended City College in the 1930s as Marxists but refused to remain Demonrat when the Demonrats went fully communist under McGovern.

Coincidentally, most of the actual surviving neocons are also Jewish: Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc., which takes on a very exaggerated importance for some reason among the so-called "paleo""conservatives", particularly those of the "blood and soil" variety.

Reformulation (consistent with history and reality): There are conservatives, there are populist conservatives, there are (about twelve surviving) neoconservatives. And there are confused socially unacceptable eccentrics who wish to be known as "paleo""conservatives" when they are in actual life alcoholic poetry-spouting romantic admirers of deservedly insignificant Balkan satrapies, who favor contemplation and yak-yak over ANY EFFECTIVE ACTION WHATSOEVER in all imaginable circumstances.

There are libertarians who are very often separated from conservatives by their rank enthusiasm for such social issue heresies as abortion-on-demand and lavender canoodling legalization and encouragement. Many libertarians are also separated from conservatives by an allergic reaction to the use of military force to extend American influence and to protect our own people and their interests abroad. Many libertarians are separated from conservatives by absolute worship of materialism.

79 posted on 06/18/2005 11:43:58 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
The New Right aka the Conservative Movement of the 1960s and 1970s IS the conservative movement and consists of the actual conservatives.

You shame Goldwater and Reagan by attempting to replace them with the radical neocon invasion of the party.

Coincidentally, most of the actual surviving neocons are also Jewish: Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc.,

I believe that to be a disingenuous statement Mr. Elk.

You haven't even scratched the surface in terms of naming neoconservatives. Oddly, and amusingly, enough George Bush is one of the rare ELECTED ones!

You named SOME of the early ones and I challenge you to name ANY early one that was not a Communist or a red diaper baby!

Here's what I offered to another FR brother when he inquired about this late 20th century political anomaly:
"It was conceived during/at the waning of the Viet Nam War. Scoop Jackson (the Senator from Boeing) Democrats sensed that the Dim Party was losing its appetite for a strong defense and a belligerent foreign policy and migrated to Reagan's strong anticommunist stand. So far so good ... but that's nowhere near the end of the story."

Closed quote. Most of these Democrat "born again" Republicans were Jewish, You say coincidence? I ask you "at this time of neocon conception did the U.S. appear in imminent danger"?

No, we were, even then, the most powerful nation on earth. Who then was placed in jeopardy by a perceived contraction of American belligerence?

BTW, does the name Leo Strauss ring any kind of (dangerously radical) bell with you?

May I respectfully suggest you get your allegiances in order?

80 posted on 06/18/2005 12:56:21 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: BlackElk
Coincidentally, most of the actual surviving neocons are also Jewish: Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, etc., which takes on a very exaggerated importance for some reason among the so-called "paleo""conservatives", particularly those of the "blood and soil" variety.

And of course the fact that you couldn't back that up with a single piece of writing or statement from a paleo doesn't matter any. Hey, why let facts get the way of a good slander?

81 posted on 06/18/2005 3:01:45 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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