Ron Paul - NeoCon Global Government

House Web Site ^ | 6-13-2005 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

[Countyline]

DANGER AHEAD!

This is flying under the radar, isn't it. How can it be up for vote without the immensity of the issues becoming front page news?

Is Rush talking about this? Who is?

[Countyline]

"The only true reform of the United Nations is for the US to withdraw immediately."

Hurrah for that.

[iconoclast]

How can a conservative argue with that?

Well there are conservatives, there are libertarians, there are populist conservatives, there are paleo conservatives.

And then there are the neo conservatives.

[Stevieboy]

I've been trying to find a mention in the MSM - to see how they are treating it - but I can't find a darned thing.

[iconoclast]

People call this a conservative forum?

It has become the Forum of Latter Day Conservatives! ;o)

[iconoclast]

Is Rush talking about this?

It's an Administration bill.

What would you EXPECT Rush to say about it?

[inquest]

Sort of the equivalent of electing a conservative to "make government more efficient and effective," or "save social security."

Yes, very much so. Good analogies.

[Ruadh]

Here is one argument:
The U.N. is a dangerous organization over which we currently have a veto. If we withdrew, maybe it would become less dangerous, but maybe not. Without our veto it could serve as a vehicle for the rest of the world to unite against the U.S.A.

[inquest]

Have you seen the "leadership" at the UN? All those countries wouldn't be able to function as a single unit. And without our funding (not just of the UN itself, but also of its affiliates such the World Bank and IMF), what we see from it now would definitely be its high-water mark. Part of the incentive many smaller countries have for even being in the UN at all is that it makes them eligible for loans from these institutions. Take that away, and membership would most likely dwindle.

Besides, these countries could unite against us any time they wanted anyway.

[Ruadh]

Good points. You have convinced me.

[inquest]

Nice to be able to do that once in awhile around here. ;-)

[WhiteGuy]

What a worthless bunch the gop has turned out to be.

It seems every day they give us more reasons to never support them again.



Vote for gridlock in '06

[philman_36]

The time to stop this assault on our freedom is before it succeeds, not to be forced into a new American Revolution to regain what we are being asked to surrender.
Lok on the bright side...if the reforms pass then the UN could come in and help fight the revolution...on the government's side! /smarting sarcasm

[CDHart]

Does anyone know the bill number for this? I Googled it but no success yet and I have to get ready for work. Thanks!

Carolyn

[philman_36]

H. R. 2745

[philman_36]

Copy and paste it in the search bar here...
But you know that...

[mewzilla]

The only reform we need to see at the UN is an OUTSIDE AUDIT of the entire organization.

[CDHart]

Actually, I didn't know that. I appreciate the info. I remember going to Thomas fairly frequently some years ago, but haven't for a long time. Thanks!

Carolyn

[CDHart]

I found it -- all 78 pages of it! Apparently there's no corresponding bill in the Senate?

Carolyn

[philman_36]

Apparently there's no corresponding bill in the Senate?
Here is what I've found...The administration, which has generally opposed withholding dues to the U.N., has not taken a formal position on the bill, which, if passed by the House, will then have to be taken up later this summer by the Senate.

Thanks!
My pleasure. I'm one of those "veritable founts of useless information".