[Elsie]

 

You are not "unChristian" if you do not accept either Creationism or Intellligent Design.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.  If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and then of the New Testement writers, they have to decide what the following verses mean:

 

Romans 5:12-21
 12.  Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
 13.  for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
 14.  Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
 15.  But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
 16.  Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
 17.  For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
 18.  Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
 19.  For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 20.  The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
 21.  so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

 

 

If there were  no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.

 

If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.

 

If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.

 

 

Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic?  Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?

 

 

The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.

 

 

 

 

1 Timothy 2:13

  For Adam was formed first, then Eve.   Was Paul WRONG about this???

 

 

[thomaswest]

The ultimate objective of "Intelligent Design" seems to be justifying a literal interpretation of the Bible.

However, this conflicts with the Noah's Flood story. It seems to me that even if ID succeeds in poking holes in the Theory of Evolution, this leaves literalists exposed as to how Noah's Flood can be reconciled with science.

If ID is accepted, then it is still to be explained how Noah's Flood an be reconciled with scientific evidence. There are so many contradictions.

This makes me think that ID is a strawman to divert attention from Noah's Flood.

[Wuli]

Christians who believe in Evolution know what the Bible says, and know it well. They also know the difference between allegory, parrable, symbolism and history.

Therefore, they can come to know the spiritual and moral truth expressed in the allegorical methodolgy of telling the story; knowing that truth, imbeded in the story, without feeling deceived by the knowledge that the allegory is not history.

Therefore, the Bible need not either support or refute evolution, when one acknowledges that the reality of the mystery of creation is beyond human comprehension.

What we know is always very little and always imperfect and always no more than we are capable of knowing and yet always leaves the HOW, the CREATION of what we know a mystery, of God. If we have faith, that recognition is enough, for we leave the rest for God to bring to our understanding in God's time; while we use the limits of what we know to the best of our abilities. There is no real dispute bewteen the two, only the limits of our undertsanding.