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Microsoft joins Yahoo!, Google in censoring China's web
Yahoo! Asia News AFP ^ | Monday June 13, 6:20 PM

Posted on 06/13/2005 5:23:55 AM PDT by LwinAungSoe


Photo: AFP

BEIJING (AFP) - Users of Microsoft's new China-based Internet portal were blocked from using the words "democracy", "freedom" and "human rights" in an apparent move by the US software giant to appease Beijing.

Other words that could not be used on Microsoft's free online blog service MSN Spaces include "Taiwan independence" and "demonstration".

Bloggers who enter such words or other politically charged or pornographic content are prompted with a message that reads: "This item should not contain forbidden speech such as profanity. Please enter a different word for this item".

Officials at Microsoft's Beijing offices refused to comment Monday.

Internet sites in China are strongly urged to abide by a code of conduct and self-censor any information that could be viewed by the government as politically sensitive, pornographic or illegal.

For many Chinese websites, such content also includes news stories that the government considers unfavorable or does not want published.

New regulations issued in March now require that all China-based websites be formally registered with the government by the end of June or be shut down by Internet police.

Microsoft formed a joint venture with China's state-funded Shanghai Alliance Investment Ltd (SAIL) last month to launch the MSN China web portal.

Microsoft is not the only international tech company to comply with China's stringent Internet rules.

Yahoo! and Google -- the two most popular Internet search engines -- have already been criticized for cooperating with the Chinese government to censor the Internet.

The Paris-based Reporters Without Borders (RSF) earlier said it "deplores the irresponsible policies of United States Internet firms Yahoo! and Google in bowing directly and indirectly to Chinese government demands for censorship".

An RSF spokesman said Monday the group was checking to see if Microsoft had followed suit.

"We are checking into this. If it is correct, it proves once again that US companies are actively collaborating with the Chinese government's censorship efforts," the spokesman told AFP.

"We strongly condemn that."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; democracy; freedom; google; humanrights; microsoft; yahoo
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To: brownsfan
" China WILL take Taiwan. They are positioning, and have been doing sabre rattling. I've been saying this for a while. "

Then you’ve been wrong for a while. China has recently tripled their military capabilities and gone from 1% to 3% of what they need to take Taiwan. They don’t have a person in uniform with the military experience of the average USMC corporal. China is way more dependent on the US/Japan/Taiwan than we are on them, and their oil lifeline is vulnerable.

21 posted on 06/13/2005 7:02:10 AM PDT by elfman2 (This space is intentionally left blank)
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To: The_Victor
If the people of China The United States want freedom and democracy, then they need to demand it from their government.


22 posted on 06/13/2005 7:03:25 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: LwinAungSoe

The New World Order = A global system of governance in which markets are free and people are not.


23 posted on 06/13/2005 7:03:29 AM PDT by gregwest
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To: The_Victor
"If the people of China want freedom and democracy, then they need to demand it from their government. Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google are not going to do it unless there is a profit in it."

And that is part of what's contributing to the breakdown of America. Businesses aren't citizens anymore. There was a time when a business considered itself part of a country, had a stake in the well being of said country. Businesses were citizens and neighbors. And many were good, if not great, citizens.

Now a business exists for one reason, profit. Profit is their religion. It guides all that they do. Nothing is wrong, immoral or unethical if profit is involved. If people, or countries are hurt by decisions a business makes, it's ok, as long as there was a profit made.
24 posted on 06/13/2005 7:03:58 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: LwinAungSoe

Ever since the days of Mao, the Chinese Communist authorities have given people two choices: My way or the highway. You either do what they say or leave, with all your prior investments expropriated.

Maybe this is just sheer greed. Or maybe Microsoft figures that half a loaf is better for Chinese internet users than none. There are ways to get around these limitations, and meantime Chinese users have more access to the internet.

For instance, instead of "freedom," they could use the code words "pigs fly." The censors are always a step behind the censored.


25 posted on 06/13/2005 7:06:40 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: All
The Chi-coms agreed to be the beta test site for the Rats and RINO's new Internet "Fairness Doctrine" software. Industry analysts expect Washington to select google to be the vendor given their experience in censorship and google's compatible ideology.

Washington liberals are still looking for an English speaking country to test their broad-based radio "Fairness Doctrine" as well as a narrow (one cable channel only) TV version of the "Fairness Doctrine." Canada is the odds-on choice to be the one.

26 posted on 06/13/2005 7:06:54 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: brownsfan
And that is part of what's contributing to the breakdown of America. Businesses aren't citizens anymore.

I don't expect businesses to do something that puts them out of business, i.e. unprofitable. It's my job to be a good citizen, not Microsoft's.

27 posted on 06/13/2005 7:06:56 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: LwinAungSoe

I wonder how much microsoft censors about themselves.


28 posted on 06/13/2005 7:09:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: LwinAungSoe
Without that pandering by the iNET companies the Communists would simply shut off the internet.Yahoo has the Viet Nam contract and I use Yahoo to communicate with my friends there. I have no problems with the service. It is not rendering the people ignorant. It is adding another portal to the world. It makes visible the American way of life and the Vietnamese mostly know whence comes that prosperity.

The problem is not the portal companies, it is the government. The portals, regardless of restrictions, promote the ideas and attitudes that will eventually solve the problem, in Viet Nam, at least. The availability of a portal enables several folks I know to operate businesses that deal with the West. They actually make good money doing it, even though their money has to stay outside the country. One fellow has a brokerage business that deals with exotic woods furniture made in Thailand and Indonesia and customers all over the world. He is even arranging some importation to Viet Nam. Another constructs websites for international companies, mostly in Europe. One woman sells shrimp from independent shrimp farms on the net. They could not do this without that portal. You don't deal constructively with the restrictions by cutting people off altogether. The increasing use of the net for business of all kinds, official as well as not so official makes the net harder and harder for the government to do without and harder and harder to effectively deal with unapproved content.

I suspect the Chicom effort will have little practical effect as the users learn to get around the restrictions. I do not talk about democracy, etc. by name in my emails, but just casual conversation about what people do and don't do normally, about travel and family, about whether or not one chooses to vote for something, conveys the information.

29 posted on 06/13/2005 7:09:51 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: elfman2

"China is way more dependent on the US/Japan/Taiwan than we are on them, and their oil lifeline is vulnerable."

I disagree. Have you been reading about the active hate campaign in China directed towards the Japanese? It is more or less officially endorsed. The Japanese are beefing up their defenses because of this hate campaign. This is in additon to the sabre rattling going on about Taiwan.
China's army is not well equipped or well trained at this date. But, they are building, and they have 3 BILLION people. The Chinese could put together an army of staggering size. The ability to tolerate losses would somewhat offset training. Also, the Chinese are not stupid, don't underestimate them. It's not like they can't or won't learn.
I'm not well versed on China's refinery capacity or their oil reserves. But, Saudi is building refineries since the US can't, (thank you EPA). I don't believe the Arabs would have a problem selling oil at a deep discount to a country that was in conflict with the "Great Satan" (US).


30 posted on 06/13/2005 7:10:56 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: brownsfan

Keep the mental wheels turning, we’ll see.


31 posted on 06/13/2005 7:16:16 AM PDT by elfman2 (This space is intentionally left blank)
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To: cloud8
The reality is that the services will be available in China that the government permits. It is, after all, still a Communist regime of sorts. Refusing to allow that service at all, because it is not as free as we think it should be merely shuts off the people from great quantities of "non-political" content that conveys in great gouts the attitudes and freedoms of the West.The continued use of the net, restricted as it is, promotes the attitudes that will eventually cause the restrictions to evanesce or to become irreleant.

And I do think that it is better that American companies, even the hated Microsoft, step in now to make the money than that the Chinese come up with their own and cut the American companies out. That would be much more restrictive and longer lasting.

32 posted on 06/13/2005 7:18:06 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: The_Victor

"It's my job to be a good citizen, not Microsoft's."

And there is the schism. At what point does a company quit being people? At what point does a company no longer need to pay attention to human values? At the point of incorporation?
Does this mean for the 8, 10, 12 hours a day you work, you are not a citizen, you are a profit seeker? Do you make decisions differently at work? If you do things that are anti-American, or counter to your religious beliefs, is that ok since it's for the company?


33 posted on 06/13/2005 7:27:57 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: LwinAungSoe

Is ANYone surprised that Microsoft would participate in this?

ANYONE?


34 posted on 06/13/2005 7:43:07 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: bored at work
"I see a Chinese version of spanglish. Changlish . . ."

That's "Chinglish," and it already exists; have you taken an Engineering course lately?

Too many are "taught" in a damn near incomprehensible dialect that Wm. Shakespeare would never recognize.

35 posted on 06/13/2005 7:47:03 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: brownsfan

> I figure Taiwan has about 3 years left.

If Hillary Rodham is elected president, make that 3 years and six months.


36 posted on 06/13/2005 7:50:51 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: LwinAungSoe

The party to blame here is the Chinese government for denying access to this information. These companies are not in the "Democracy spreading" business, but want to continue to do business in China. They obviously felt this necessary to keep this lucrative market.


37 posted on 06/13/2005 7:54:17 AM PDT by cubram
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To: Redbob

Would you rather seê MAOsoft in China with absolute control of content and that money staying in China instead of supporting an American company?


38 posted on 06/13/2005 8:08:46 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Redbob
That's "Chinglish," and it already exists; have you taken an Engineering course lately?

I took a heat transfer class in 1982 with a Chinese professor who couldn't pronounce "heat." He pronounced it like the word for "feces." It was pretty funny. We all had a hard time keeping straight faces.

Candi

p.s. Boy, do I feel old. I took heat transfer 23 years ago????? How can that be when I'm only 29???

39 posted on 06/13/2005 8:09:08 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: Redbob

"Chinglish" . . . thats even funnier . . .


40 posted on 06/13/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by bored at work (Barack Obama . . . Iraq Osama . . . ?)
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