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Mark Steyn: Who can stop the rise and rise of China? The communists, of course
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 06/12/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/11/2005 2:58:59 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Chu Gary; GOP_1900AD; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii; tallhappy
Yes. Vietnam I can see being cynical. And maybe some schlubs slaving away at making a living in Shanghai. But the actual business operators? Uh, uh. They are all in too thick so to speak. Steyn nails this with these trenchant observations:

"Beijing's leadership does not accept that the cause is lost: unlike most outside analysts, they do not assume that the world's first economically viable form of Communism is merely an interim phase en route to a free - or even free-ish - society.

Mao, though he gets a better press than Hitler and Stalin, was the biggest mass murderer of all time, with a body count ten times' higher than the Nazis (as Jung Chang's new biography reminds us). The standard line of Sinologists is that, while still perfunct-orily genuflecting to his embalmed corpse in Tiananmen Square, his successors have moved on - just as, in Austin Powers, while Dr Evil is in suspended animation, his Number Two diversifies the consortium's core business away from evildoing and reorients it toward a portfolio of investments including a chain of premium coffee stores. But Maoists with stock options are still Maoists - especially when they owe their robust portfolios to a privileged position within the state apparatus. "

Deng Xiouping made clear that the international class struggle against the West's "Ruling Interests" continued to the hardliners when he explained why they were adopting capitalist camoflage: "Does it matter whether you call the cat black or white? So long as it catches mice."

This metahpor is not benign, and is in fact a rather bloody one that was immediately understood as such.

61 posted on 06/12/2005 7:19:18 PM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Paul Ross; risk; bear11

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...Praise GOD that...

...LOVE is the only realty...

...and that...

...GOD is LOVE.

...LOVE is coming to Vietnam.

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62 posted on 06/12/2005 8:29:42 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Pokey78; TigerLikesRooster

I recommend anyone who also speak Chinese go and read Caoan's articles. The reality is far grimer for China and much worse than Steyn knows - in fact, the reports I read on all Western media read like yesterday's People's Daily.

http://www.dajiyuan.com/gb/nssc858.htm

(To TLR: this is the unnamed gentleman I mentioned a few months ago on a thread on P.R. China)


63 posted on 06/13/2005 6:44:20 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK
Re #63

Yes, I remember. Thanks for providing me a link.

64 posted on 06/13/2005 6:53:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Glad you like the link. I'm sorry that I can't find any English translation to any of his articles. Perhaps Babelfish will do? :)


65 posted on 06/13/2005 6:58:23 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: LibertarianInExile
I believe he was only anti-Communist where he believed it would be to his political advantage.

Total nonsense, demonstrating a lack of fundamental knowledge about the man you've chosen to criticize. Nixon was many things, a big government, spendthrift Republican among them, but his lifelong, intense anti-communism was sincere and straight from the gut.

By the way, it's laughable, oh-so-wise one.

66 posted on 06/13/2005 5:29:11 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Dog Gone

Is it true that China owns about 40% of our debt?


67 posted on 06/13/2005 5:37:33 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: beckett
Total nonsense, demonstrating a lack of fundamental knowledge about the man you've chosen to criticize. Nixon was many things, a big government, spendthrift Republican among them, but his lifelong, intense anti-communism was sincere and straight from the gut. By the way, it's laughable, oh-so-wise one.

I apologize for impugning a man you obviously knew well, probably from your personal experience with his mind, as the Lord God of All Creation. And you masterfully catching that typo--I take it all back--hearing from you, a great and wise sort who backs his own opinion with such a wealth of personal opinion and has no need of facts other than his own brain cells, nay, you have opened my eyes! I'm going to open a church where I worship you, beckett--screw that lameass Jesus. Heck, I've already printed out all your posts and I just finished building a shrine in my closet to you. If you don't mind, could you say more so I could use your pithy commentary as prayer? I am probably not worthy of your edification, but I'll take whatever I, a lowly worm not fit to gaze upon your radiance and sheer intellect, can get, O great omniscient one!

68 posted on 06/13/2005 5:56:59 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: chalkfarmer
They may own 40% of our our debt owned by foreigners, but it's nowhere near 40$ of our total debt. Japan is a much bigger net owner of our debt.

China has foreign debt, as well.

69 posted on 06/13/2005 6:00:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: proxy_user
...half the population is over 60, and the other half consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women?

Ah, a realist using common sense to look into the future... how quaint!

May I stand with you and marvel at the spectacle of 200 million horny Chinese guys trying to get their share, their potential mates having been killed off by the State, over-running the thin rim of prosperity on the coast of China. Not pretty, no even on the same planet as pretty! But the bright side is we won't have to buy back all those US Treasury bonds they own... Win win for the USA!

70 posted on 06/13/2005 6:06:29 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy
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To: Pokey78
its internet protective blocks are not the armour but the, er, chink.

Pass the Windex...

71 posted on 06/18/2005 5:33:15 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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Even communist cannot stop a rising China ! Chinese already make their mind - they want good life and rich of course. I don't think China wants to be the leader of the world. However, United States is not China's boss neither. United States have to share the powers with Europe, China, India, Russia or other countries in 21st century. Japanese government is the only friend you have in Asia. United States lost the respect in Asia since
Bush Administration invaded Iraq. Japanese government is your only friend in Asia now. The others - India, Korea, New Zealand and Australia will go their own way. India will continue their oil project with Iran. India
told Rice - Iran is Amerian's enemy but not India. Got it? Chinese don't like communist, communist will go
eventually. I bet the current communist know it . Most of my friends think China need communist at this stage - to get the things done. China will be a democratic country when they have more middle class. China still has a long way to go, there are many difficulties in front of China but Chinese will conquer those difficulties one by one, it may take 20 years to resolve domestic problems.

China have too many men in the future? I don't worry that much as you guys, the reason - other Asian countries's women will marry Chinese when China's living standard
improve. China is not the enemy of United States, don't call the name or they will be. United States has the highest military budge in the world, 10 times more than China. My question to you as you to China - why? you are a super power, no enemy. A strong, successful and peaceful China is all of Chinese wish, including overseas Chinese.
Chinese will regain their inventive ability. You just keep eyes on it. China just had two hundred year bad time,
She needs the time to recover. Listen, now is 21st century, not 19 century, People change, including Asia.


72 posted on 07/04/2005 5:53:47 AM PDT by lazy
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