Posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:05 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
I've carpooled with these guys.
I used to carpool with a Lubovich fellow too ~ all the time trying to convert me.
The only way you have a chance is if you understand where they're coming from. Then you can chase them away just like they were Mormons or Jehovah's Witness missionaries.
If you have a sane bone in your body...get a frikkin grip. The truth is out there. Look for it and stop spreading fog.
Definitely an evil man, eh?!
Off to bed...sorry to leave but thx for the repartee.
The best altar today is within the soul, sacrificing the old sin nature through faith in our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus as our high priest before the Father in heaven.
Good, that's a spiritual altar. Now, regarding the way they lay out Christian churches these days (remarkably similar to the way they were doing it nearly 2,000 years ago too), there's an altar in the front.
http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm :
...the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the moshiach; thus, the concept of moshiach was known in the most ancient times.
The term "moshiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The moshiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.
The word "moshiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.
Well we need to establish whether tradition or the Word of God are the standards here. According to that a Christian is one who is in Christ. Anyone in Christ, He will in no way cast out, therefore I think it's obvious that a Christian is 'saved,' and no one is saved apart from being a Christian.
Not knowing what you believe, it would be difficult for me to tell you what the rules are ~ I kind of believe you get stuck with the rules you believe in though.
I thought my post made it quite clear what I believe. The essential question of salvation is not dependent upon what I believe the 'rules' are, or what you believe them to be. It is dependent upon what God says they are. And that rule is faith in Christ. Trusting that He is able to satisfy the demands of a righteous and Holy God, and knowing that He has done what is necessary to reconcile man to God. There is no other thing or rule or whatever that bring God and man back together. If there were then for Jesus to die on the cross would not have been necessary. He did not do that just for those who chose to accept that rule, He did that because that was the way God has chosen.
I'm sure you'd found that more satisfactory, even though you'd never guess which side of the road I thought you were located.
Just proves that politeness is not much valued these days.
Do his will
Last I checked Christians used "the Word of God" to mean the Second Person of the All-Holy Trinity who became Incarnate of the Virgin Mary, thereby assuming our human nature, was crucified, died, rose again on the third day, and ascended into heaven, who will come again with great glory. Surely you've read the book you call 'the Word of God': "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. . ."
Don't adopt a Muslim attitude toward Scripture: a book is all they've got. We have Christ and the Holy Spirit (and through them the Father (whom know man has seen--the Son has made him known)), as well as a lot of books (the most important of which are collected together into our Scriptures).
Actually door to door missionaries of any sort amuse me. I go out on my doorstep and preach Orthodox Christianity to them, sending them away bewildered. (I've toyed with the idea of keeping a tract or two handy, but the come so seldom. . .)
Yeah, it's called "where two or more are gathered together" and the Lord Jesus Himself is there with them. There is your "church" and Christ Jesus is the Head.
Sounds like fun.
Do you remember a fellow in Exodus named Cora? He was a member of Israel. What happened to him. He rejected the revelation of God, thru Moses, and he was rejected of God. Is he still and foprever one of those chosen. God has always had one people, people of faith. Anyone who has faith in Christ is one of God's people. The book of Romans makes this all to clear. About the temple, if it is rebuilt, will God accept the sacrifices if they resume. Hebrews said that He would not return to what was only a foreshadow of what was to to come, and that which was to come would be better, and sufficient once and for all. Was the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross sufficient?
And one other question. Can anyone be saved apart from Christ?
As far as this dispensationalism, one of it's points is that the anti-Christ will eventually attack Israel, and kill 2/3 of the Jewish people living there. I know many Christians that are encouraging there Jewish friends to move back to Israel. Now if I thought that 2/3 of them were to be killed, and I loved them like I am supposed to, would I tell them to go to Israel since there would be a good chance of them dying? Heck no, I'd tell to to go to Oklahoma or something.
The New Testament teaches that the only way to God is through Jesus. Jesus spent a lot of time saying that to the Jewish folks living right there in Israel. The reaction of some of them was, "we're children of Abraham." He said God could raise up stones to be children of Abraham if he wanted to. He said you natural birth meant nothing as far as inheriting the kingdom of God. It didn't matter where you were born, what your parents did, or even who your parents descended from. What matters is that you had to be born again, born of the Spirit. Jesus said if the temple were destroyed he would raise it up in 3 days. When He died on the cross, the curtain that Holy of Holies from everything else was torn open. He hasn't put it back up since then. The building, the temple, was destroyed, but the real temple of God, made of living stones, is standing, and will stand. THE temple of God has Jesus as its cornerstone. Would He be the cornerstone if a new temple is built in Jerusalem?
Sure, and when they decide to celebrate the Lord's Supper they do what?
No. It's part of the Messianic Times.
Not if they realise that the Jewish prophecies are correct.
You're interpreting it as a reason why Christian churches don't need altars, even though virtually every such church does, and all the ones I've ever been in did.
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