And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Christ did the same in John 8:58:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:05 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
New 'Sanhedrin' Calls For Architectural Blueprint To Rebuild Jewish Temple
The Israeli rabbinical council involved with re-establishing the Sanhedrin, is calling upon all groups involved in Temple Mount research to prepare detailed architectural plans for the reconstruction of the Jewish Holy Temple.
The Sanhedrin was a 71-man assembly of rabbis that convened adjacent to the Holy Temple before its destruction in 70 AD and outside Jerusalem until about 400 AD.
The move followed the election earlier this week of Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz as temporary president of a group aspiring to become Judaism's highest-ranking legal-religious tribunal.
However, although Steinsaltz's involvement with the endeavor adds important rabbinic legitimacy, other major halachic authorities, including Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the leading haredi Ashkenazi spiritual leader, and Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the premier Sephardi halachic opinion, have refused repeated requests to offer their support.
Nevertheless, the group will establish a forum of architects and engineers to begin plans for rebuilding the Temple – a move fraught with religious and political volatility.
The group, which calls itself the Sanhedrin, is calling on the Jewish people to contribute toward the acquisition of materials for the purpose of rebuilding the Temple – including the gathering and preparation of prefabricated, disassembled portions to be stored and ready for rapid assembly, "in the manner of King David."
Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the burgeoning Sanhedrin, said in an official statement that because of "concerns that external pressure would be brought to bear upon individuals not to take part in the establishment of a Sanhedrin, the names of most participants have been withheld up to this point."
"The increasingly anti-Jewish decisions handed down by the Supreme Court prove the need for an alternative legal system based on Jewish sources," said Weiss. "More and more people, including Torah scholars, are beginning to understand this."
The Sanhedrin was reestablished last October in Tiberias, the place of its last meeting 1,600 years ago. Since then, it has met in Jerusalem on a monthly basis.
Haha!
No. I meant that it doesn't need to be built during the Antichrist's time, only that it has to be there. It could be build long before then.
Of course, it could be build during that time as well.
Yes, but that really won't make it past the city planning department you know,...building permits and all,...if they had there way the Temple will be a stick built, spec house.
Let's see, I trust Jesus with my whole heart to be able to save me. I believe He is the Lord, and that He died on the cross for my sins to be forgiven, I believe he rose from the dead, and will come again. Ok, now, what else must I do to be saved?
Zechariah 14 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society Zechariah 14 The LORD Comes and Reigns 1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake [a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. 6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7 It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. 8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea [b] and half to the western sea, [c] in summer and in winter. 9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name. 10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up and remain in its place, from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure. 12 This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day men will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. Each man will seize the hand of another, and they will attack each other. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps. 16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD [d] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 On that dayHOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD's house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite [e] in the house of the LORD Almighty. Footnotes: Zechariah 14:5 Or 5 My mountain valley will be blocked and will extend to Azel. It will be blocked as it was blocked because of the earthquake Zechariah 14:8 That is, the Dead Sea Zechariah 14:8 That is, the Mediterranean Zechariah 14:18 Or part, then the LORD Zechariah 14:21 Or merchant
Nothing! That's it.
You got it. I'll see you there!
Must be lots of cacti and peyote buttons up there north of the Arctic circle,...hehehe
I dont think christians will be the ones to use the temple.Jews will rebuild it and resume their customs,thats my understanding.
Depends how one thinks it. If expressed as a statement of historicity without faith in God through Him, it still is insufficient. Yet, those who exercise faith alone in Him and have been saved by the regeneration of the spirit by the Holy Spirit, might evidence that faith by the same words, but having been thought by faith in Him through Christ.
MOSLEM CLAIM TO JERUSALEM RESTS ON WOBBLY VERSE
From Arutz-7 Thursday, Aug. 28, 2003 / Rosh Chodesh Elul 5763
A commentator in the official Egyptian government weekly, of all places,
writes this week that the entire Moslem claim on Jerusalem and El-Aksa is based on a mistaken reading of one chapter of the Quran. Ahmed Mahmad Oufa wrote that the verse that mentions a night journey by Muhammed to a mosque has nothing to do with Jerusalem, as is generally claimed, but with a mosque near the holy Moslem city of Medina.
Prof. Moshe Sharon, Middle Eastern expert in the Hebrew University, expressed
great surprise at the fact that such an article would be published in Arabic and in an Arabic-speaking country. Speaking with Arutz-7 today, he said, "All in all, this is not a new claim. We must remember that Jerusalem is not mentioned at all in the Quran [though it is mentioned hundreds of time in the Bible - ed. note]. The verse in question is in Sura [chapter] 17, which states that Muhammad was brought at night from one mosque to a "more distant" - aktsa, in Arabic - mosque. The first Moslem commentators did not explain this as referring to Jerusalem at all, of course, but rather as a miraculous night journey or night vision or some such.
In the beginning of the 8th century, however, they began associating this with Jerusalem, because they had a need to start giving sanctity to Jerusalem, and so they started connecting this verse with Jerusalem... Originally, however, the Moslems recognized the area of the Dome of the Rock as holy because of the Jewish Temple of King Solomon."
This last point may be borne out, Nissan Ratzlav-Katz notes, by the fact that
the modern Arabic name for Jerusalem, Al-Quds, is adapted from the original
Arabic name for the Temple Mount: Bayt al-Maqdis - or Beit HaMikdash [Hebrew
for Holy Temple].
It should further be noted that the Al Aksa mosque was built on the Temple
Mount 621 years after Mohammed's death.
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2003/sept/win1.htm
Past myths are claimed today as historical fact in the mill of Muslim historical Revisionism. For example, in 683 CE Caliph Al-Walid built "Al Aksa" Mosque over a Christian church located on the Temple Mount, the site of the Jewish Temple, built by Solomon - 60 years after the death of Mohammed. Caliph Al-Walid named his Mosque "al Aksa" after a mythical dream that Mohammed supposedly had that: Mohammed flew to a place called ‘al Aksa’ (which means the ‘furthest place’) on his great white horse with wings, the breasts of a woman and the tail of a peacock. The word ‘al Aksa’ (as the ’furthest place’) referred either to Medina or the courtyards of Allah in Paradise. This was the rationale offered by true Arab scholars in attempting to explain the basis of a mythical dream supposedly experienced by Mohammed.
In 685-705 CE the Umayyad Caliph Abd-el Malik built the Dome of the Rock, also on the Temple Mount, Mount Moriah. (It is now called the "Golden Dome" after it was covered with gold by the King of Trans-Jordan.) This Caliph, who lived in Damascus, wished to be viewed as Mohammed’s heir. He attempted to re-direct the Islamic compass away from Mecca towards Jerusalem and his sphere of religious/political power. The political thrust of all this was that Islam continued to ignore Jerusalem as a non-entity and continued to worship toward Mecca. However, the myth was created among the (uneducated) Muslim/Arabs, that, by right of conquest, they owned the Temple of the Jews which existed as Solomon’s Temple of the Jews for thousands of years before Mohammed and Islam. However, the myth took root among the Muslims - as history was pushed aside.
That childish myth has become factual history, as the Arab/Muslims claimed the Jews’ most holy religious site, built thousands of years before Christianity or the beginnings of Islam. But, the West oohs and aahs as the Mullahs babble about their non-existent history, harking back to the Philistines (a warlike tribe of Phoenicians who came to the sea coast of Eretz Yisrael) and other tribes long gone.
‘Al Aksa’ Mosque was not considered a true holy site of Islam until Saladin, the Kurdish warrior in the 12th Century needed an excuse to attack the Christian Crusaders who had taken Jerusalem. Saladin then claimed Mohammed’s dream of ‘Al Aksa’ was the Mosque built on top of the Jewish Temple and, therefore, holy to Islam. But, their claims are accepted today as if they were not a backward, uncivilized culture but, an advanced society of great thinkers and, therefore, worthy of being taken seriously. The media has been provided numerous times with the scholarly history of the Jewish Temple but, they prefer the ‘mythical’ version created by the Muslim/Arabs.
No of course not. Jesus has not come yet to destroy the antichrist nor the false prophet so this could not have taken place in 70 A.D. Plus the The Mt of Olives hasn't split in half, nor a stream of water coming out of the New Temple which Jesus, Himself, will build and flow west to the Mediterranean and east to the Dead Sea. "3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake [a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. 6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7 It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. 8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea [b] and half to the western sea, [c] in summer and in winter. 9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name. 10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up and remain in its place, from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Christ did the same in John 8:58:
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Not knowing what you believe, it would be difficult for me to tell you what the rules are ~ I kind of believe you get stuck with the rules you believe in though.
That means that old National Lampoon showing different types of Hell, for example the Episcopalean Hell with the rude waiters, may well be the case.
Did you think they didn't know how to have a party up there?
Look, what they don't have (in older times of course) is what for flour and grapes for wine. Hard to hold communion. The heresies began immediately!
That's not correct. Among the tribe of Levi, only the Kohanim were allowed to touch the temple furnitures. They were the son of Kohath, and God chose them out of the tribe of Judah to be responsible for the Tabernacle furnitures. So the modern day "Cohen" have a identifying Chromosome that identifies their clan. Thus, when temple worship is re-established in the next re-built temple, the Cohen will be the priests in charge of the Temple articles: The Candle Stick, table for shewbread, the trumpets, the priestly robes, the altars of sacrifice and incense, the lavers, the anointing oil, the incense, and the wash basin.
You ready yet muawiyah? Did you go back and READ ALL THE STUFF, not just the part you agreed with?
They may not have grown those particular crops, but that didn't keep our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus from still providing the Body of his human nature to be broken and for all of us to commune with, as well as the blood of the New Covenant, still available to any with faith alone in Him alone to fulfill the communion.
One of the problems of changing the translation has to do with Nazi "histo-archaeology" that had all the places mentioned in the Koran or the Hadiths located very near Mecca. Intriguingly the Nazis latched on to some interesting aspects of the Arabian peninsula that had been overlooked, but there has been little cooboration of their theories. In the meantime folks have continued with the belief that Mohammad did a special night journey to Jerusalem and from there to Heaven on a horse that left its hoofprint behind on a stone over which Dome of the Rock is constructed.
I suspect Moslems picked up on that particular rock when they discovered the hoof print.
Some folks with Russian Jewish roots have told me there are extensive Jewish family genealogies going back to Medieval Spain that are still maintained, and that there may be others going back to the time when the Temple practices were still active.
You may know more on that. However, even the Welsh have genealogies that can go back 1700 years.
You have a problem don't you?
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