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To: feedback doctor
Getting saved and being a Christian are, in some theological traditions, different things. In others, you must be a Christian to achieve salvation.

Not knowing what you believe, it would be difficult for me to tell you what the rules are ~ I kind of believe you get stuck with the rules you believe in though.

That means that old National Lampoon showing different types of Hell, for example the Episcopalean Hell with the rude waiters, may well be the case.

133 posted on 06/11/2005 5:16:23 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: muawiyah

You ready yet muawiyah? Did you go back and READ ALL THE STUFF, not just the part you agreed with?


136 posted on 06/11/2005 5:22:05 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: muawiyah
"In others, you must be a Christian to achieve salvation."

You don't "achieve" salvation, you inherit it. Because "For by GRACE are you SAVED THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourself, it is the GIFT OF GOD. NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST!! Ephesians 2:9.

159 posted on 06/11/2005 6:07:28 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: muawiyah
Getting saved and being a Christian are, in some theological traditions, different things. In others, you must be a Christian to achieve salvation.

Well we need to establish whether tradition or the Word of God are the standards here. According to that a Christian is one who is in Christ. Anyone in Christ, He will in no way cast out, therefore I think it's obvious that a Christian is 'saved,' and no one is saved apart from being a Christian.

Not knowing what you believe, it would be difficult for me to tell you what the rules are ~ I kind of believe you get stuck with the rules you believe in though.

I thought my post made it quite clear what I believe. The essential question of salvation is not dependent upon what I believe the 'rules' are, or what you believe them to be. It is dependent upon what God says they are. And that rule is faith in Christ. Trusting that He is able to satisfy the demands of a righteous and Holy God, and knowing that He has done what is necessary to reconcile man to God. There is no other thing or rule or whatever that bring God and man back together. If there were then for Jesus to die on the cross would not have been necessary. He did not do that just for those who chose to accept that rule, He did that because that was the way God has chosen.

189 posted on 06/11/2005 7:23:03 PM PDT by feedback doctor (If you won't love the least of people, then you can't love any people)
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