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To: Iam1ru1-2
That's right. The Jews are still and will forever be "God's Chosen People".

Do you remember a fellow in Exodus named Cora? He was a member of Israel. What happened to him. He rejected the revelation of God, thru Moses, and he was rejected of God. Is he still and foprever one of those chosen. God has always had one people, people of faith. Anyone who has faith in Christ is one of God's people. The book of Romans makes this all to clear. About the temple, if it is rebuilt, will God accept the sacrifices if they resume. Hebrews said that He would not return to what was only a foreshadow of what was to to come, and that which was to come would be better, and sufficient once and for all. Was the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross sufficient?
And one other question. Can anyone be saved apart from Christ?

As far as this dispensationalism, one of it's points is that the anti-Christ will eventually attack Israel, and kill 2/3 of the Jewish people living there. I know many Christians that are encouraging there Jewish friends to move back to Israel. Now if I thought that 2/3 of them were to be killed, and I loved them like I am supposed to, would I tell them to go to Israel since there would be a good chance of them dying? Heck no, I'd tell to to go to Oklahoma or something.

The New Testament teaches that the only way to God is through Jesus. Jesus spent a lot of time saying that to the Jewish folks living right there in Israel. The reaction of some of them was, "we're children of Abraham." He said God could raise up stones to be children of Abraham if he wanted to. He said you natural birth meant nothing as far as inheriting the kingdom of God. It didn't matter where you were born, what your parents did, or even who your parents descended from. What matters is that you had to be born again, born of the Spirit. Jesus said if the temple were destroyed he would raise it up in 3 days. When He died on the cross, the curtain that Holy of Holies from everything else was torn open. He hasn't put it back up since then. The building, the temple, was destroyed, but the real temple of God, made of living stones, is standing, and will stand. THE temple of God has Jesus as its cornerstone. Would He be the cornerstone if a new temple is built in Jerusalem?

196 posted on 06/11/2005 7:49:23 PM PDT by feedback doctor (If you won't love the least of people, then you can't love any people)
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To: feedback doctor

Romans 11

The Remnant of Israel

1) I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2) God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3) "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"[a]? 4) And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."[b] 5) So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6) And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.[c]

7) What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8) as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day."[d] 9) And David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10) May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever."[e]

Ingrafted Branches

11) Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12) But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

13) I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14) in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15) For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16) If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17) If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18) do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19) You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20) Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21) For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22) Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23) And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24) After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved

25) I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26) And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27) And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."[g]
28) As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29) for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30) Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31) so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32) For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Doxology

33) Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[i] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34) "Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?"[j]
35) "Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?"[k]
36) For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Footnotes:

Romans 11:3 1 Kings 19:10,14
Romans 11:4 1 Kings 19:18
Romans 11:6 Some manuscripts by grace. But if by works, then it is no longer grace; if it were, work would no longer be work.
Romans 11:8 Deut. 29:4; Isaiah 29:10
Romans 11:10 Psalm 69:22,23
Romans 11:27 Or will be
Romans 11:27 Isaiah 59:20,21; 27:9; Jer. 31:33,34
Romans 11:31 Some manuscripts do not have now.
Romans 11:33 Or riches and the wisdom and the
Romans 11:34 Isaiah 40:13
Romans 11:35 Job 41:11


276 posted on 06/15/2005 8:34:31 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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