Posted on 06/10/2005 9:39:49 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This is straight out of Saul Alinsky's playbook for radicals. And all the ubers here on FR keep thinking we lost. Perhaps they didn't read enough Marx or Lenin when growing up: this is exactly how you win. Whenever there is a compromise that offers ANYTHING tangible, take it, then fight about the intangibles such as "the principle of judicial filibusters," about which NO ONE gives a hoot. If you have the judges, the "principles" are irrelevant.
I'm really surprised that so many hard-headed conservatives refuse to admit this: it's the same concept as elections---it's who COUNTS the votes that is important.
I tend to agree with you.
....i sure don't. It has failed, and his 2nd term is a real disappointment thus far.....
What a load of crap. His second term is 120 days old and the list of accomplishments is both long and deep. The issues have been raised and the battle joined.
So far he is winning the actual skirmishes on the gropund. There is real Rat blood on the floor.
The process works one issue at a time in a carefully coreographed legislative schedule. You should be enjoying the unfolding process rather than carping about everything at once on your own schedule.
I think Dean's just being himself. This is exactly the kind of behavior that lost him the nomination. It's just what he does.
A reasonable opposition party should be expected as well.
Didn't happen....so it's lemonade time.
I think it may turn out fine after all, but I believe it was your (and the base's) anger that made it so.
Lindsey, et al, have taken a severe beating by their constintuencies over what they did, and they're now in a position where they'd better stand firm against democrats claiming extraordinary circumstances where none exist.
BTTT
Bump
With the additional benefit that failure of the left in 2006 will get them to sit down and shut up about a "moderate" Hillary. All they need to seal the deal is another 9-11 before the election. They could then cash in politically on Bush's open border (the Hildabeast has been wailing about "border security" for some time (as if she really cares)). I'm certain they can find the technical help abroad to get it done.
The fact that the cloven-footed one has taken to wearing cowboy boots to hide the sign of the beast {and cover those beautiful skankles} does not even come close to changing her communist outlook on politicis. She is a witch, the daughter of {and lover to} satan and all of the gentle media spin will never change that bitch. piaps has managed via her friends in the msm to keep her lezbo lovers well hidden but they still exist. After writing about the wife of bj, I need to go and shower.
Thousands? Try millions and tens of millions.
Bush's ability to move the Supreme Court to the right will be limited. It depends on who steps down. Rehnquist, of course, is likely to leave the Court soon, but replacing him with a conservative just maintains the existing breakdown. If O'Connor retires, she might be replaced by a true conservative--in which case we will see a battle royal in the Senate. The oldest liberals (Stevens and Ginsburg) will probably try to hold on until 2009.
Clarence Thomas holds the seat formerly held by Thurgood Marshall, who retired in 1991 but didn't die until 1993. I wonder if Marshall's decision to retire was based on the assumption that George H. W. Bush would be re-elected, since his popularity ratings were so high in 1991 after the Gulf War.
I agree. I've heard Lindsey say on several occasions that he would support the Nuclear Option if the dems try to filibuster someone that he does not consider extreme. I've also heard Frist say words to the effect that the Nuclear Option is off the table only as long as there are no judicial nominees being filibustered.
They both are. No..my point is that Bush's relatively meager SS plan was poorly marketed and sold from the get-go. All the massive time and traveling across the land he spent on that and pushing the bankruptcy bill, he could have made enormous headway slamming the fillibuster issues down the RATs throats nationally, humiliating them over Janice Brown's sharecropper ancestry, and destroying their Senate insurgency.
What is Clinton's legacy? Two bills...Family/Medical leave (yawn) and Assault Weapons Ban (now extinct). Nothing else of substance was his (welfare reform was 100% Gingrich, after 3 Clinton vetoes). BUT Clinton put on the bench more judges than Reagan. THAT is a legacy we and our children are and will have to live with for a long time, in the form of outrageous "living document" ACLU leftists on courts across the land working hard every day to undermine our nations and its values.
Now Bush's SS plan is DOA, and he has 1/3 the amount of judges benched as Clinton did atthe same point in his administration. THIS is Bush's legacy, and it should have been Job #1 after the last election, not fourth fiddle to SS, Bankruptcy, and Alien Amnesty.
Am I making sense to you now?
I disagree with you. If Dean wanted to get fired, believe me, there would be a handshake and he'd be gone. Dean actually thinks this is the way to raise money. There are three reasons why he is wrong: (1) That's not a good sign to big money donors, they like to be associated with a winner. (2) Small money donors don't donate money except during hot political contests, not in off years. (3) Democrats just don't raise money from the granola crowd. The money comes from Peter Lewis, George Soros, and similar types. As radical as those guys are, they do not like to be associated with such a nutcase, unless they are pulling the strings.
I admire your idealism. However unless you run a credit card company, the already-passed legislation is unlikely to make your life better. To borrow your phrase, this administration has done a "piss poor" job in packaging, marketing and selling the SS reforms to the American public and Congress alike. Remember how Clinton's inept handling of several initiative left them in the dust? Politics is not big on second chances. By contrast, Bush handled the tax cuts brilliantly and deciseively, and that is a huge part of his legacy. I wish he had done the same with the SS plan, but he has not. Hope springs eternal, but it doesn't look too promising, and given the lousy reaction, it's unlikely too many GOP candidates are going to run on private accounts in 06.
As far as your downplaying the importance of judges as legacy in favor of "legislation", you should remember well how up in arms we are nearly everyday as Conservatives, as a result of left-wing judges doing an enormous amount of legislating themselves (from the bench) over the past 40 years, to the great harm of this nation.
He seems to be implying that Republicans might use the 'nuclear' option for legislation. They had good arguments when it came to nominees (judicial or otherwise). I don't think the filibuster will be overturned on legislation, though.
Post 1995 the only legacy that matters is judges. Bar a constitutional ammendment ANY legislation passed by any president and congress can be warpped and or negated by the courts.
The courts ARE the issue, because they are acting as defacto unelected lifetime legislators. I voted for Bush for mainly for two reasons: WOT and judges. This is not to say that I think he was a substandard candidate, nothing could be further from the truth; but of the two main reasons to elect a president the war and judges will have the biggest long term impact on this country and my children.
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