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One Reporter's Opinion – Never Legalize Pot!
Newmax ^ | Friday, June 10, 2005 | Gearge Putnam

Posted on 06/10/2005 2:32:31 PM PDT by Nachum

It is this reporter's opinion that each generation in turn takes a new look at the marijuana question. Now it's this generation's turn. In a 6-to-3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that federal anti-marijuana statutes overrule the laws in ten states that allow the use of marijuana plants to ease pain or nausea.

Fifty years ago, as a much younger television reporter, I did a series of interviews with Dr. Hardin B. Jones, Professor of Medical Physics and Physiology at the University of California Berkeley. Dr. Jones, in his thorough study, raised disturbing questions about marijuana's effects on the vital systems of the body, on the brain and mind, on immunity and resistance, and on sex reproduction.

Dr. Jones addressed such problems of society as the hazards to non-smokers, crime, the law, and the effect of widespread smoking among the military – including atomic weapons personnel. And he didn't stop there. The good doctor included telling comments from interviews conducted with scores of marijuana users and ex-users.

I concluded, after this exhaustive study, that the very idea of legalizing marijuana is to follow a senseless, immoral, perilous path – a slippery slope, that the use of marijuana is dangerous on many fronts, that it impairs memory, alters time perception, reduces coordination, damages the immune system, is psychologically habit-forming and creates a wide range of effects on moods and behavior.

Dr. Jones offered an open letter to parents. Following are the main points discussed in his letter:

Marijuana is not a benign drug. Use of this drug impairs learning and judgment and may lead to the development of mental health problems.

Smoking marijuana can injure or destroy lung tissue.

Teens who are high on marijuana are less able to make safe, smart decisions about sex, including knowing when to say "no."

Marijuana can impair perception and reaction time, putting young drivers and others in danger.

Marijuana use may trigger panic attacks, paranoia, and even psychoses.

Marijuana can impair concentration and the ability to retain information during a teen's peak learning years.

Recent research indicates a correlation between frequent marijuana use and aggressive or violent behavior.

Dr. Jones concludes: MARIJUANA IS ADDICTIVE, and says that more teens are in treatment with a primary diagnosis of marijuana dependence than for all other illicit drugs combined.

Personally, I recall one visitation to a rehabilitation center where we interviewed recovering heroin addicts. We had to interview 25 hard-core drug users before we found a single one who had not started with marijuana!

As for those who say they must rely on marijuana to treat their pain, Dr. Jones cited a Washington University School of Medicine study on the subject: the experiment on twenty young men who were experienced marijuana smokers. Before and after they smoked reefers, electric impulses of different strengths were applied to their fingers and pain thresholds recorded. It was a method that earlier had verified the pain-killing effects of morphine, aspirin and codeine. MARIJUANA NOT ONLY FAILED TO LESSEN PAIN, IT ACTUALLY INCREASED IT! That finding casts doubt on the usefulness of marijuana as an analgesic.

The same facts and conclusions are repeated generation after generation with the same conclusion: DON'T EVER LEGALIZE POT!


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To: lainie
This isn't a personal choice issue beyond the choice of breaking or not breaking the law.

Alcohol has potential for abuse if not used in moderate or less quantities.
I think I told you before, I had my neck broken by a drunken driver before who made their "OWN CHOICE" to drink and drive.

Pot like cigarettes, is smoked and smoking is the fastest way to get things into the body and to the brain.
I used to think injection, but research said smoking is the #1 way.
Pot hits different areas of the brain, has been associated with moving on to harder drugs.
If you just have a joint on you, you maybe get a ticket. If you grow, distribute of have larger quantities, you have to make your "OWN CHOICE" about the risk of jail time and a criminal record.

PS: Will miss the beginning of your Drudge thread because I'll be picking someone up at LAX.

221 posted on 06/12/2005 4:15:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Limited government doesn't mean all the vice you want. That is a sub-culture infecting the regular culture.

Pointless. You oppose the right to self ownership. Lenin and Marx argued the same culture/sub-culture points you now want me to accept. I don't accept Lenin, Marx or CA GUY.
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222 posted on 06/12/2005 4:28:11 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: mugs99

I don't oppose the right to your self ownership of a house, dog, stock, car, gun and so one.

I oppose your ownership of illegal medications.

I even more so hope those that share those illegal addictive medications, are stricken quickly thereafter with a deadly disease that kills them pronto so they can't continue to corrupt the young.


223 posted on 06/12/2005 4:33:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

I'm sorry for your car wreck but that crime is different from social drinking amongst friends, at home or in restaurants or what have you. Of course alcohol has the potential for abuse, but the nanny state is not what needs to be making the call for individuals. Anything has the potential for abuse. The method one chooses has no bearing on anything.

The larger question here is why you think the federal government should be the final arbiter of the marijuana question -- when it is not for drinking and driving. Each state has its own laws regarding the latter, why not the former?

Have fun at LAX. (I know this is not possible..)


224 posted on 06/12/2005 5:16:26 PM PDT by lainie
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To: mugs99
Lol...

You laugh!! I'm interested in understanding the Bible without "upgrades" or contemporary interpretations & I think that's as fundamentalist as one can get. Part of my study has included delving into the multitude of things that led to the many schisms, throughout the ages.

You're remembering the good old days! Fundamentalism has evolved into the same old paternalistic tyranny our great founders, like Robert Paine, rejected.

R.T. Paine was following an old family tradition. The base for the word protestant is protest. There was a time when having a Bible in a language other than Latin was grounds for being guilty of heresy, as it challenged the power of the Church. I have some mighty controversial Pastors in my ancestry, besides the ones in my Paine & Treat family lines. I would love to get my hands on any of their sermons or writings.

Very true, but the balance of power has tilted toward the zealots.

I dunno if the power has tilted toward them as much as you fear. Sometimes it's a button pushing kind of thing, to see if we can get secularists to go into a meltdown. We're Christians, not angels. :o)

Conservatives have traditionally been divided into two camps. Many called them faith conservatives and doubting conservatives. We used to work together to try to limit government intrusion into our lives. We both opposed socialism and shunned the zealots, both religious and social.

We lost in the fight for our schools & changes in the laws made the indoctrination camps nearly mandatory.

This new wave of fundamentalism we see today, has not only divided us into warring factions, it supports government intrusion into our lives. They desire to force their dogma on us all, using government as their tool.

Sadly true, though the doubters did their share, by going along with making sure that any "good" idea had to be made good everywhere. IOW, if a prayer was a bad thing in your child's school, it was a bad thing for every single school, everywhere.

I really wish the good old time Christians like you would make a come back.

Well, thank you. Me too. LOL

I love the Christmas season and hate to see it being law suited away because of a backlash from those who fear modern fundamentalism.

The nonsense started before modern fundamentalism & it infected many of the "traditional" religions ages ago. You have that backlash business backwards.

225 posted on 06/12/2005 6:20:57 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: rubofthebrush
I wasn't talking about any kind of shadow government, nor was I talking about "illegal" drugs. Think about this past year's flu shot fiasco. How much are we spending on AIDS drugs, for people in Africa? The government is a large employer. We pay insurance premiums for our employees that include drug coverage. Add Medicaid & military spending for drugs. Maybe China is a bigger drug dealer than the US government, but I doubt it.

The Mexican border deal is a political hot cake. Part of it is about votes, from the fastest growing portion of the population & they would be the fastest growing, even without new immigration. Part of it is about cheap labor & food prices. Add in agribusiness campaign contributions.

During the time in American history when immigration from Europe was at it's height, unemployment was very high. Why do you think we let in all of those huddled masses?
226 posted on 06/12/2005 6:42:32 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: A CA Guy
For the dopers on FR, it is "I want my drugs, and listen to me use the word constitution as to sound like this issue belongs on FR".

I don't want any drugs. I am no doper. The Constitution is more than a word to me. This is a Constitutional issue, whether you think it is or not.

227 posted on 06/12/2005 6:50:03 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: A CA Guy
I oppose your ownership of illegal medications.

I oppose the way drugs are made "illegal". You should have no problem pushing through the Constitutional amendment that would get rid of the "living" Constitution garbage on this issue.

I even more so hope those that share those illegal addictive medications, are stricken quickly thereafter with a deadly disease that kills them pronto so they can't continue to corrupt the young.

After they're gone, who will be next on your list needing to die? At what point are you going to start to think that helping the process along might be a good idea?

228 posted on 06/12/2005 7:01:26 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: A CA Guy
I don't oppose the right to your self ownership of a house, dog, stock, car, gun and so oneI oppose your ownership of illegal medications

Who determines what medications are legal? The voters of California decided that marijuana was a legal medication. This wasn't done on a whim. It was backed by years of legitimate scientific and medical research.
Because of the dictates of your personal religious dogma, the voters, scientists and doctors are wrong?

I even more so hope those that share those illegal addictive medications, are stricken quickly thereafter with a deadly disease that kills them pronto

Are you speaking for God, or is that a prayer asking him to commit murder for you? That sure doesn't sound Christian to me.

so they can't continue to corrupt the young

Drug addicts aren't corrupting the young, you are. You support the drug lords exactly the same way prohibitionists supported the alcohol barons. You are not only a threat to my liberty, you endanger my children.
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229 posted on 06/12/2005 7:17:14 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: GoLightly
You laugh!!

Yes I do, but I'm not laughing at you. I enjoy my image of you and sometimes your comments just strike my funny bone...Sorry, nothing derogatory intended or felt.

I have some mighty controversial Pastors in my ancestry

I bet you do! Lol...Couldn't resist!

I dunno if the power has tilted toward them as much as you fear

I hope you're right. My opinion is biased by personal experience and local politics, for the most part. Our differences are probably more geography than theology.

We lost in the fight for our schools & changes in the laws made the indoctrination camps nearly mandatory....IOW, if a prayer was a bad thing in your child's school, it was a bad thing for every single school, everywhere

The big government takeover of the schools has been a disaster, no doubt about it. Our school hasn't changed here in the backwater where I live, but I'm certain it would if the secularists knew that. We like it the way it is, those of us who follow no faith included.

You have that backlash business backwards

I don't think so. I'm an old man and I've never seen so many people angry at Christians. I don't think TV was good for religion.
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230 posted on 06/12/2005 8:21:44 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: Nachum
We had to interview 25 hard-core drug users before we found a single one who had not started with marijuana!

How many did he have to interview before he found a single one who had not started with alcohol? Tobacco? Milk?

Idiot.

231 posted on 06/12/2005 8:39:23 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: lainie

There for sure needs to be laws that say when what you can and can't legally use because some people are loons.

The ONLY reason we have laws is because we needed them.
Laws are for direction of human behavior.

People don't get to make the call on many dangerous behaviors by law, but do get the choice of breaking the law or not.
You legally can't murder, rape, molest or self medicate with various forms of substances.

There is a proper stigma to pot and other drugs and they need to remain there because the stuff is crap and harmful to people.


232 posted on 06/12/2005 11:03:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: GoLightly

When it' concerning a vice, an illegal drug, it isn't about the constitution, it's about criminal behavior and dopers trying to make an unwanted social change that would have dire consequences on this country.


233 posted on 06/12/2005 11:13:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Know your rights
How many did he have to interview before he found a single one who had not started with alcohol? Tobacco? Milk?

George used the same method in all of his crusades. When he was crusading against porn “The Communist Masters of Deceit” were behind everything. That was back in the days when his porn was girls in bikinis on Santa Monica beach!
He's done the same with rock & roll and gambling.

George Putnam was the inspiration for the Ted Baxter character on The Mary Tyler Moore Show...Funny, but true! ...
234 posted on 06/12/2005 11:14:02 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: A CA Guy
I even more so hope those that share those illegal addictive medications, are stricken quickly thereafter with a deadly disease that kills them pronto so they can't continue to corrupt the young.

Disgusting!

235 posted on 06/13/2005 2:27:47 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill

Yes it is, the way they corrupt the younger generation to ruin their life is truely disgusting.
Better the creeps providing the drugs have a nasty end than the innocent as far as I am concerned.


236 posted on 06/13/2005 2:33:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Yes it is, the way they corrupt the younger generation to ruin their life is truely disgusting.

Nope...your remark was disgusting.

You are a real piece of work.

237 posted on 06/13/2005 3:04:24 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: knightshadow
"If, in fact, the active ingredient in Marijuana (THC, i.e. Tetrahydracannabinol) has been, or can be, proven to be medically effective, is there any reason why the THC cannot be synthesized and administered pharmaceutically in the same fashion narcotics etc. are?"

THC has been synthesized. It is called dronabinol, marketed under the name Marinol. See www.marinol.com

By the way, THC is not the only "active ingredient" in marijuana. There is another product now approved in Canada being marketed by a company called GW Pharmaceuticals in conjunction with Bayer that is a whole cannabis extract that comes in the form of a mouth spray. Supposedly it soaks right through the mouth into the blood stream, acting more quickly than what might come in a pill form and therefore is supposed to be better for treating nausea and other conditions. It is not yet approved in the U.S. but their lobbyist her is a former spokesperson for the ONDCP. It will be interesting to see if it is approved, being that it is actually made from marijuana.
238 posted on 06/13/2005 9:43:33 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: A CA Guy

You keep hogging bandwidth talking about some old study that doesn't really prove diddly. If pot smokers are four times as likely to develop serious mental illness then you would think that there would be substantially higher rates of mental illness in states with substantilly higher per capita marijuana use. Is there? Of course not, in fact it's really th other way around.

I saw this study you were talking about before and found it highly suspect. It did not prove causation. Just out of curiosity I did some checking into statistics on marijuana use and serious mental illness. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) collects data on both mental health issues and drug issues. My thinking was that if marijuana really causes serious mental illness, there would be correspondingly higher rates of mental illness in states with higher rates of marijuana use. Doesn't that seem logical?

First I looked at the state with the highest past month marijuana use, New Hampshire. In that state 10.23% reported use of marijuana in the past month on the last survey and and according to SAMHSA 8.8% of New Hampshire's population suffer from serious mental illness compared to the national average of 8.76%. Then I looked at the state with the lowest marijuana use, Utah. There only 4.00% reported past month marijuana use but SAMHSA says 10.97% suffer from serious mental illness.

Now, that was interesting to me but there are too many variables that can come into play that call into question the results from just two examples. So, I dug a little deeper and looked at the ten states with the highest and ten states with the lowest marijuana use. The national average past month marijuana use was 6.18%. The top ten states averaged 8.93%. Serious mental illness in these states averaged 8.73%, compared to the national average of 8.76%. Serious mental illness in the ten states with the lowest marijuana use averaged 9.44%, even though past month marijuana use only averaged 4.73% in these states.

Why is it that the states with the highest marijuana use actually lower rates of serious mental illness than the states with the lowest marijuana use? I honestly don't know. I don't think you could conclude from that that marijuana use reduces mental illness, but it certainly does call into question research that shows that marijuana use drastically increases mental illness.

Here are the tables I used from SAMHSA's 2003 NSDUH. The link to the past month marijuana use by state is here: http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k3State/appB.htm#tabB.3

The link to the serious mental illness numbers by state is here: http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k3State/appB.htm#tabB.21


239 posted on 06/13/2005 10:00:42 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: LAURENTIJ

"You ranting and anger seem to betray your own pot user descriptions... Funny how angry users are. Depressed. Schizophrenic."

The reason people get angry at the type of posts you make is because they are accusatory and insulting, pure troll material.


240 posted on 06/13/2005 10:18:44 AM PDT by TKDietz
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