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Bush Open to Possibly Closing Gitmo Camp (When hell freezes over)
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, June 8, 2005; 5:13 PM | JENNIFER LOVEN

Posted on 06/08/2005 2:33:33 PM PDT by Brian Mosely

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Bush Open to Possibly Closing Gitmo Camp


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Jun 8, 5:13 PM (ET)

By JENNIFER LOVEN

(AP) A United States military boat patrols in front of Camp Delta in this Sept. 27, 2002 file photo, in...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush on Wednesday left open the possibility that the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could be shut down following mounting criticism from former President Carter and others.

"We're exploring all alternatives as to how best to do the main objective, which is to protect America," Bush said when asked in an interview with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto if he would close the detention center.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, however, said he did not know of anyone in the administration who was considering closing Guantanamo. He defended the military's operation of the camp.

The military provides "a stable and secure and safe environment," he told reporters traveling with him in Norway. "Information gained from detainees there has saved the lives of people from our country and from other countries."

The Pentagon disclosed last week that U.S. guards or interrogators at Guantanamo kicked, stepped on and splashed urine on the Quran. That followed an earlier report in Newsweek, later retracted, that U.S. investigators had confirmed that a guard had deliberately flushed a prisoner's Quran in a toilet. The White House blamed that report for violent protests in Muslim nations.

The prison holds about 540 detainees. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with any crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Carter told a human rights conference Tuesday that closing the Guantanamo prison would demonstrate the U.S. commitment to human rights at a time when the U.S. reputation has suffered globally because of reports of prisoner abuses at Guantanamo as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Amnesty International also recently called for Guantanamo's closure, saying the facility is the "the gulag of our time" - a characterization Bush dismissed again Wednesday.

"It's just absurd to equate Gitmo and Guantanamo with a Soviet gulag," he said. "Just not even close."

Bush said the Guantanamo Bay detainees are being treated in accordance with international standards and that any allegations of mistreatment are fully investigated. He defended the policy of holding enemy combatants.

"It's in our nation's interest that we learn a lot about those people that are still in detention, because we're still trying to find out how to better protect our country," he said. "What we don't want to do is let somebody out that comes back and harms us."

Said spokesman Scott McClellan: "They are dangerous individuals. They are enemy combatants for a reason - because they seek to do harm to the American people."

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101 posted on 06/08/2005 4:40:53 PM PDT by HarleyLady27
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To: stands2reason

I see that now stands2reason. So typical of the press to read something into a comment and twist it to their own wishes and hopes..........makes them feel like they matter......but we know better.


102 posted on 06/08/2005 4:55:57 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: underwiredsupport
Blinked on the Terry Schiavo case.

He done everything within the powers given to him on the matter, given another inch, he would have set himself up for impeachment.

Waffled on the Gitmo matter.

That's according to the AP

Cozied up with V. Fox and refused to tighten US Border Controls.

Typical Tancredo hysteria.

Negotiated and promoted Bipartisanship with the demoncats.

He hasn't negotiated nothing, he doesn't need to, he's the POTUS for God's sake, of the party in the majority. If anyone needs to be negotiating, it's the Democrats.

These are all valid issues, which are adamantly opposed by most conservatives.

Just admit you've never liked the President, I don't care if you kept your yapper shut for the first four years or not.

103 posted on 06/08/2005 5:25:21 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Whop-bobaloobop a WHOP BAM BOOM!!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Great point. Some freepers want the President to be the Howard Dean of the GOP, attacking his opponents every minute in a crazy fashion.
104 posted on 06/08/2005 7:30:31 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Iron Matron
May be you never had faith in Dubya, but the vast majority of us did, does, and will always have faith in him. It is very sad that you believe a lie from the AP rather than read what the President said.
105 posted on 06/08/2005 7:33:22 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: SunnyD1182
You are making the assumption that the vast majority of people are stupid and they will believe the AP headlines. This is the arrogance that we see liberals exhibit everyday thinking that the American people are too dumb and they will believe everything they tell them. Well they are the stupid ones because the majority of voters do not believe the liberals and their media whores and that why the GOP is winning one election after another and the Democrats are losing one election after another.
106 posted on 06/08/2005 7:40:46 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas

I heard the Cavuto interview clip. what would have been wrong with saying "no, we have no plans to close it".


107 posted on 06/08/2005 7:44:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: jveritas
The majority? Maybe a slim majority will bother reading this articles. But what about folks who browse headlines on CNN.com or Drudge Report? Do you really think they're going to click on every link?

Absolutely not. They're going to see that headline, they're going to say "oh look, the President might close Guantanamo" and they're going to move on. Not everyone has all day to read things and see what an article actually says. Headlines are supposed to mean something. Headline writing has been terrible in the past few years, and that's why so many people are uninformed.

I'm not saying people are stupid, I'm saying that they believe what is presented to them. If they don't see the article under the headline, they're never going to see that the headline was wrong. You can prevent such a problem in a newspaper, because the article is usually right there with the headline- not so on the Internet, where there's usually just a pile of links.

108 posted on 06/08/2005 7:45:16 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: ARCADIA
I think that is an unrealistic expectation. When everything you say gets taken out of context, twisted and used against you, your smartest tactic is to keep your eye on the ball and move it down the field.

If he stopped to answer all of these kinds of things...he would end up being futilely chasing fires.

Watch what he does...not what the press says he says.

109 posted on 06/08/2005 7:54:22 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: oceanview
I believe he was being careful not to inflame the situation. He essentially dodged the "headline making" statement that places like Al Jazeera love.

In response, the AP made up a statement to inflame conservatives. It's their strategery, even if they aren't aware of it. To some extent, they appear to be succeeding too, unfortunately.

110 posted on 06/08/2005 7:58:23 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: jveritas
Amen. We can be patient and win...or we can be impatient and loose...don't be like howie.
111 posted on 06/08/2005 7:59:38 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: SunnyD1182; oceanview
If the majority of people believe the headlines they read from the defeated liberal media Kerry would have been President right now, in fact you will not see a Republican President or a Republican Congress, ever. The fact that Kerry is not President, that we have won the White house 5 out the 7 presidential elections, we have a Republican Congress for the last 11 years, we have majority of governors and state legislatures, prove an irrefutable point: The majority of people do not believe what the defeated liberal media tell them, as simple as that.
112 posted on 06/08/2005 8:04:09 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas

my comment was about what Bush himself said, not the headline.


113 posted on 06/08/2005 8:06:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: jveritas
Some freepers want the President to be the Howard Dean of the GOP, attacking his opponents every minute in a crazy fashion.

Which is why Democrats like Howard Dean will never become President.

114 posted on 06/08/2005 9:46:18 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Whop-bobaloobop a WHOP BAM BOOM!!)
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To: Brian Mosely
Transcript: President Bush on 'Your World'

CAVUTO: Speaking of civil liberties, one of your predecessors, Jimmy Carter, was very critical of our operations at Guantanamo Bay (search), saying they should be shut down, that abuses there, if proven true, are dragging our name through the mud globally. What do you make of that?

BUSH: Well, I first of all want to assure the American people that these prisoners are being treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention. I say in accordance with because these weren't normal, you know, military-type fighters. They had no uniforms. They had no, you know, government structure. These were terrorists, swept up off the battlefield in a place like Afghanistan, for example.

And it's in our nation's interest that we learn a lot about those people that are still in detention, because we're still trying to find out how to better protect our country.

Secondly, that anytime there's an allegation of abuse, we investigate. That's what transparent societies do. We've got a press corps that's constantly asking tough questions about prisoner treatment, for example. You just asked one. And that's what open societies do, they answer the questions by saying...

CAVUTO: But now President Carter has said, sir, shut it down. Joe Biden said shut it down. Do you think it should be shut down?

BUSH: Well, you know, we're exploring all alternatives as to how best to do the main objective, which is to protect America. What we don't want to do is let somebody out that comes back and harms us.

And so we're looking at all alternatives and have been. And when there have been questions of abuse and allegations like the Koran, the Pentagon went through a full investigation and then released the data for everybody to see.

And I will tell you that we treat these prisoners in accordance with international standards. And that's what the American people expect. When somebody put out that Amnesty International report, they asked me about it. I said it's just absurd to equate Gitmo and Guantanamo with a Soviet gulag. It's just not even close.

115 posted on 06/08/2005 10:14:03 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Is it true that the administration has by way of the armed services, put out a memo or an order detailing exactly how the Koran must be handled? Is it true that the administration trotted out some undistinguished General to offer apologies for the apparent inadvertent mishandling of the Koran in the past? Is it true that the war on terror is really a war against the fanaticism of Islam? Now is it true that if we allow our enemy to dictate (whether the enemy is Islam, it's agents, it's supporters and our MSM) the way we can prosecute such a war that by definition we have already lost?
116 posted on 06/09/2005 7:12:23 AM PDT by Final Authority
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