Two Lodi men arrested for suspected al Qaeda ties (Ca)

Sacramento Bee ^ | 8:07 pm PDT Tuesday, June 7, 2005 | Denny Walsh and Sam Stanton

[LtKerst]

And the father...who was also arrested drives an ICE CREAM TRUCK............recall the article by some prof today on contaminating the US milk supplies.

Ice-cream for Jihad!

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: Most likely, the first repercussion such a rash action, would be an all out war, a crashed or severely disrupted world economy and a needless and possibly catastrophic disruption to the American way of life.

In WW2, we fought an all out war. We were willing to then, we aren't now. Lee Rodgers, local KSFO Hottalk 560 talkhost, put it succinctly a few days ago. The US has not won a war, outright, cleanly, with a surrendering enemy, etc, since 1945. Or, more specifically, we have not had the will to win one.

[GOP_1900AD]

Bump.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Bumping your post!

[OXENinFLA]

U.S. V. HAMID HAYAT AND UMER HAYAT
June 7, 2005

Federal criminal charges alleging that a 47-year-old California father and his 22-year-old son lied to the FBI about training at and/or visiting al Qaeda and jihadi terrorist training camps in Pakistan.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/ushayat60705.html

The Federal Prosecutor
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1973648_1

The Family's Criminal Defense Lawyer
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2021328_1

Terror-Related Cases
http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/terrorism/cases/index.html

FindLaw's Criminal Law Center
http://criminal.findlaw.com/

[O Neill]

They chose a small town on purpose, to sneak in and out of.

If you're correct & this Lodi cell is a significant threat, and I do "put myself in their shoes", then I can think of a Target of Opportunity that would make sense.

Dare I say it & give them an idea?...or can I reasonably rely upon our finest in Homeland Security to have already thought of it?

It's obvious to the casual observer driving on I-5 south of Pea Soup Anderson's...

It supplies millions in the Los Angeles Basin with a vital ingredient of daily Basin life...

Disruption or contamination would likely result in widespread fear, panic & possible chaotic overreaction...

The California Aquaduct, of course. There, I said it. And you're right, there would be nothing silly about an credible attack on that. Allah may be stuck in Lodi...again...for a devious reason.

But I've been supportive of our present objectives in Iraq (as I perceive them) since the git-go. Gradually, one-by-one & house-to-house we will kill every al Qaida supporter who doesn't kill themself first...right down to Osama-llama-ding-dong...

A total deterrent to radical Jihadists...as each one killed is FOREVER deterred from further, radical activity...

[Brad’s Gramma]

But I've been supportive of our present objectives in Iraq (as I perceive them) since the git-go. Gradually, one-by-one & house-to-house we will kill every al Qaida supporter who doesn't kill themself first...right down to Osama-llama-ding-dong...

You'll NOT receive an argument from me! :) Our military is the BEST!

The water? Yeah....we've all discussed that. NOT a pleasant thought, is it, to say the least.

[knews_hound]

My neighboring town.

Kind of scary huh?

I wonder about those propane tanks in Elk Grove now too.

Cheers,

knews hound

http://knewshound.blogspot.com/

[SheLion]

  

Congressman refuses to probe illegal alien
terrorist cell in his own district

January 28, 2005 - Despite widespread news reports linking Moroccan Muslims to worldwide terrorism, Florida Congressman Ric Keller (R-8-FL) has declined to call for a formal FBI or Government Accounting Office (GAO) investigation of Orlando Homeland Security official Mary Schneider's concrete evidence of green card bribery of immigration officials by illegal Moroccan Muslims linked to a terrorist cell in Keller's central Florida congressional district--the hub of Sunshine State tourism and airline traffic.

Our interview with the Orlando immigration adjudication officer revealed that Keller, who is a member of the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security told Mary Schneider "your problem is not a matter within the purview of a federal agency." Full Story

"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain,and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims..."
Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, ARAB NEWS 9 September 2004

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[Saberwielder]

During 1999, I was at a meeting where some ex-intel types were talking about security in the Middle East. A Clintonite State Department tool was also present (on official capacity.) So this one intel guy got into a discussion with that Foggy woman on how the State dept has been undercutting the efforts to get Osama Bin Laden by rejecting to give permission for our folks to go to Saudi Arabia and the UAE on official capacity to follow certain leads or even push the Saudi or Emirate govt to co-operate. The State tool replied - "Oh, don't you realize that they are our allies and we cannot upset them?" When pressed, she said "Osama Bin Laden is a threat to Americans overseas at worst and is not worth jeopardizing our decades old alliances with these fishing expeditions."

De'ja frickin vu...

[Saberwielder]

Yeah well did you read the FBI statement which said the camp in question was not in the tribal zone but on the outskirts of their frickin capital?

Also, please see my post here. We have been warning them about these camps but still they let them run and did not shut them down nor put their leader on a plane to Gitmo.

[Saberwielder]

You forgot their special - "72 cherries Garcia"

[Betis70]

See post 98 and 120

[Zathras]

As someone who has worked for Intel for 15 years, I'm fairly convinced we have terrorists working for us in both Californa and Oregon.
The problem is trying to do anything about it could get me fired.

[iconoclast]

Fascinating post.

It will probably come to mind every time some idiot, either to my face or on this forum, comes back at me with "we must trust our leaders ... they knows things that we don't".

It'll be the death of us.

[iconoclast]

The fly paper for the islamists is in Iraq.

Yeah, your fly paper is American men and (I'm ashamed to say) women.

You disgust me.

[Saberwielder]

True. The "they know more than us" argument does not work for general policy direction. If at all, they might apply to some peculiar and exceptional situations.

[MagnoliaB]

LOL! But I doubt it. It won't be long before the peaceniks lead by the ACLU will lock arms around them.

[O Neill]

Thanks for pointing out those earlier posts (which I shamefully failed to appreciate before I posted)...

What a marroon I've been...imagining the Lodi Cell plotting to fly into a San Joaquin Valley water tower & failing to appreciate the much more significant target nearby...

Regards,

[eleni121]

Hold you horses before you get our brave heroes involved in another hellhole. Musharraf is not exactly secure in that sad sorry state of his. Things are moving along as best as they can.