Posted on 06/07/2005 8:14:42 PM PDT by A. Pole
Not really, most of the ones I ever met are night managers at bowling alleys, who hate it when well paid, self confident guys who are married to beautiful women come in and rub their nose in the fact they cut the muster and got well paid union jobs!!!!
There is no such category, for the simple reason that foreign travel isn't an item that affects the daily lives of American workers to the extent of salaries, taxes, and domestic inflation.
Might as well factor in the cost appreciation of Ferrari's and yachts as add in your trip to France to our CPI figures!
Just teasing.
I should say, in his defense, that he was one of a kind. Not only did he fully enjoy his wealth (a rare thing among the rich) but he also built one of the most fascinating museums in NYC and was generous beyond all reason. I know several people who were touched by his acts of kindness. We won't see his kind again any time soon.
Who was the other idiot who posted an excerpt with no link? Where another paragraph in the article totally destroyed his silly assertion?
I'm used to these guys being bad at math, but basic comprehension too? No wonder why they fear competition.
A night manager in a bowling alley? There's a job that cries out for a bottle of cheap vodka hidden somewhere around the office.
About ten miles from where I sit, there's a sprawling Intel factory in Chandler, AZ that just received a $2 billion overhaul so it can continue to produce the latest Pentium chips. The US semiconductor industry is still competitive because this is much more of a capital-intensive industry than a labor-intensive industry. Semiconductor chips are designed by people but are 95% produced by machines. The machines cost the same amount of capital wherever they are used in the world. The industries that are moving to China are those with a lot of labor content. Unfortunately that includes high-skill jobs such as computer programming.
But engineering is not a dying occupation. My nephew just graduated with his MSEE from a top school in California and is going to work for Microsoft later this month. One thing to keep in mind is that employment in assembly-line manufacturing is declining everywhere in the world as engineers design smarter, more productive machines and more efficient production methods. Unemployment and declining manufacturing payrolls is a huge problem in China as well as in parts of the US. Machines are doing more and more of the work and this will continue. That's why the service economy has been growing much faster than the manufacturing economy for fifty years.
I saw an entire alternate existance of slow death and anti-fungal spray flash before my eyes the second I read it...
Also, if I may say so -- both free traders and protectionists miss the point. Business will always follow cheap labor. It's a rule as sound as any physics law. Given the spread between American wages and those of third world countries, there is no way American workers can compete head to head in similar industries.
The real point of the debate -- if I may say so -- is how to make the U.S. workforce relevant in this new century?
Conclusively.
So why don't they admit it? Well, because of what I said about you before. If you were an honest debater you would admit that you were and have been wrong about U.S. Dollar Debauchment and that you need to rethink your entire trade philosophy. So would they. Guess they aren't honest.
So I ask again, do you maybe see a tipping point, h'mmmm?
My take? God save our country. We're in it deep now. You yourself are admitting, after your usual fashion, that when China revalues their currency, the rmibi/yuan, (which float they have deliberately withheld despite frantic U.S. Administration pleas), that it will have a seriously deleterious impact. They have put it off to keep their economic industrial black hole going. And they wanted to do the float when it would have had a decisive "realignment" impact on the power relationship between the two countries. I.e., a shock to be delivered only when they don't need us anymore, and could care less about the securities investments in the U.S. Well worth the price of destroying what remains of our economy, they reason. But they know doing it now will have multiple adverse effects from their perspective. They will lose the force of their black hole...slowing down FDI and outsourcing. And their sudden higher charges allow their Pacific Rim neighbors to become much more competitive.
And most deadly for the Chinese Communists: It likely would cause a U.S. recession, changing the entire U.S. political dynamic...but not destroying its economy which is in their long term objectives. The political sea-change will allow...possibly force... U.S. manufacturers to reverse the outsourcing decisions. And regain some sense of balance and perspective in their policies and political postures. For China's NEP charade to work to its intended, patiently-awaited result...we the suckers in the U.S. must not be allowed to catch wise to our vulnerability.
From their standpoint, it would be a premature tipping of the communist government's hand. And the anticipated loss of U.S. business (from both recession and policy correction... induced by the sticker shock) would also give us the wedge we need to fan the flames of unrest and discontent in China against the communist tyranny. We could finally begin to seek regime change in Bejing.
Hence, I don't think we are going to see any rmibi float soon, beyond the barest token, until they are good and ready. Which isn't this year or next....they aren't "through" with us yet.
But a Hamiltonian economic policy is yet within our purview.
Ending capital gains, and income taxes personally and corporate. Taxing consumption. And promotes savings and investment. One that favors U.S. production, and disfavors imports. Providing the funds for Federal government operations and programs.
Guess it isn't ALL sources then, is it?
I would phrase it a bit differently: Given the current spread between American wages and those of third world countries, there is no way American workers can compete head to head in similar industries on the basis of price alone.
That is, if you are asking for $20 per hour and the other fellow is happy with $1 per hour, you had better be offering something to justify your higher wage rate. That something could be higher quality, higher output, or (more likely) both.
For example, my dentist recently charged me $180 to drill and fill a tooth. There is a guy named Pablo who works on a construction site and knows how to handle a drill. I'll bet Pablo would do my dental work for much less. Why don't I hire him instead of my dentist, and save some money?
The real point of the debate -- if I may say so -- is how to make the U.S. workforce relevant in this new century?
Excellent point.
So far as printed, likely none. But Alexander Hamilton also had some very pronounced...and pointed views on trade.
your nephew is lucky, not everyone is graduating from the top schools and going to work for MSFT. Across the board, engineering is in decline as a profession. Middle aged ones are being offshored, college bound kids are not entering the programs. I see nothing that will reverse this trend.
Incorrect.
All American sources, yes.
All foreign sources, no.
If you ignore the 4 years prior when the deficit increased while the currency strengthened, you might have a point.
If you were an honest debater you would admit that you were and have been wrong about U.S. Dollar Debauchment and that you need to rethink your entire trade philosophy.
Until you posted the chart which refutes your own assertion, I didn't take a position one way or the other on the effect the deficit has on the dollar or the dollar has on the deficit. You know why? Because your chart, and the PhD who wrote the article both say there is no relationship.
So I ask again, do you maybe see a tipping point, h'mmmm?
No, and as evidence I give you the 10% drop in the Euro over the last few months. If there was a tipping point the dollar would be ever weakening, not getting stronger.
You yourself are admitting, after your usual fashion, that when China revalues their currency, the rmibi/yuan, (which float they have deliberately withheld despite frantic U.S. Administration pleas), that it will have a seriously deleterious impact.
Huh? Where did I admit any such thing?
Ending capital gains, and income taxes personally and corporate. Taxing consumption. And promotes savings and investment. One that favors U.S. production, and disfavors imports. Providing the funds for Federal government operations and programs.
You're making sense here. Too bad your earlier posts made you look like such a fool.
Engineering Employment U.S.
Materials Engineers 16K 57K 21K 69K
Petroleum engineers 10K 70K 15K 92K
Chemical Engineers 41K 61K 30K 80K
Nuclear Engineers 10K 68K 17K 89K
Cival Engineers 171K 54K 218K 67K
Agricultural Engineers 3K 54K 3K 61K
Industrial Engineers 113K 54K 174K 67K
Mechanical Engineers 216K 55K 217K 69K
Marine Enginners 4K 53K 5K 74K
Computer Engineers 300K 60K 820K 79K
I feel sorry for any kid that you make that recommendation to. You really don't know what you are talking about.
Logic and facts don't matter when protectionism is involved. The sky is always falling with these guys.
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