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To: oceanview
there is absolutely no need for any american kid to be studying engineering anymore, unless they want to compete for their wages with the Indians and Chinese. its a losing proposition

Engineering Employment U.S.

I feel sorry for any kid that you make that recommendation to. You really don't know what you are talking about.

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438 posted on 06/09/2005 7:58:02 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Logic and facts don't matter when protectionism is involved. The sky is always falling with these guys.


439 posted on 06/09/2005 7:59:49 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: FreeReign

none of my engineer collegaues at work are sending their own children into the field. none. you can find dozens of articles on what is happening to enrollment, its no secret. and if you pulled foreign nationals out of the US programs, the numbers would be much worse.


441 posted on 06/09/2005 8:06:41 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: FreeReign

just type the phrase "declining engineering enrollment" into google and read what comes up, and be sure to select the current articles from 2003/4/5, not the old stuff.

just heard of another project today at work sent to India in fact.


442 posted on 06/09/2005 8:09:42 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: FreeReign

its funny that IBM, one of the leaders in offshoring, would run a lecture like this:

https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2004/workshops/workshop_12.shtml

with some quotes:

"Enrollment in computer science (and in computer engineering) is down 50% over the past three years across North America." (2001-2004)

"A number of prominent newspapers (including the LA Times) have run recent stories about the 23% plunge in CS enrollments from 2002 to 2003."

the sad part is that US industry, who caused this problem, uses this data to argue for MORE OFFSHORING and MORE H1B visas - which makes the problem worse and worse. Or they blame the K-12 public school system, the same system that cranked out the engineers who created the telecommunications and internet revolution in the 1990s, all of a sudden collapsed in 2001-2005? Its laughable.

my observations are not anecdotal, unless you believe I wrote the articles and presentation given above.


447 posted on 06/09/2005 8:24:42 PM PDT by oceanview
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