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TWA 800's 'Deep Throat' - (FBI, liberal media conspired in TWA 800 cover-up; Clinton wanted closure)
WORLD NET DAILY.COM ^ | JUNE 7, 2005 | JACK CASHILL

Posted on 06/07/2005 5:04:39 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: rconawa

From the radar images, it looks like it was an attempt to test shooting down a designated target amid civilian traffic.

But the missile lost track of the drone and locked in on 800...


61 posted on 06/07/2005 10:36:08 PM PDT by djf (Sheep logic, or why sheep aren't mathematicians: I'll give up my freedom to preserve freedom)
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To: Hunble
"Having risked my own life and freedom, with the constant threat of being arrested for safeguarding scientific evidence about TWA 800, this is rather personal to me."

You risked your life? And why would anyone arrest you for safeguarding scientific evidence? When will you reveal what you uncovered? This sounds very exciting.

62 posted on 06/07/2005 10:38:04 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: djf
From the radar images..

FALSE, absolutly FALSE!

63 posted on 06/07/2005 10:38:31 PM PDT by Hunble (U.S. Army for 20 years)
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To: Rokke

Are we talking about a contrail of smoke?


64 posted on 06/07/2005 10:43:29 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: knews_hound
Thanks, knews_hound!

Greetings!

Char :)

65 posted on 06/07/2005 10:45:07 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: rconawa; djf
"From the radar images, it looks like it was an attempt to test shooting down a designated target amid civilian traffic.

But the missile lost track of the drone and locked in on 800..."

Rconawa, as a fellow military pilot, you can read the above and appreciate why I asked you what your experience in this topic is. When some people believe ATC radars can pick up targets as small as a SAM missile, that the military conducts weapons systems tests amid civilian traffic, and that semi-active radar guided missiles can lock on to targets other than what their fire control radars are guiding them to explains in part how conspiracy theories like this one continue to exist.

66 posted on 06/07/2005 10:49:35 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: NY Attitude
"Are we talking about a contrail of smoke?"

No, because again, almost none of the 755 witnesses described any smoke trail at all, nevermind one resembling a SAM in flight. The closest description given to a missile was a "streak of light". But only 40 described a streak of light ascending from the ocean. And many of those statements were taken over a week after the event, and after much media speculation about a terrorist missile strike.

67 posted on 06/07/2005 10:53:37 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

I have read in several posts SAM that implies suface fired missile. What about AAM (air to air) fired from an aircraft?


68 posted on 06/07/2005 10:55:06 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: NY Attitude
With respect to the lack of witnesses to anything resembling a surface fired missile, an air to air missile would actually be a more plausible explanation. But then you would have to imagine a scenario in which an aircraft was airborne with live ordinance, and fired that ordinance at a large, civilian airliner flying in a very well used air corridor just a few miles off the coast of Long Island. It just wouldn't happen without the incident receiving instant and very public scrutiny.
69 posted on 06/07/2005 11:05:07 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Palladin

Read " The Third Terrorist" .


70 posted on 06/07/2005 11:11:21 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Rokke
live ordinance

Why would the destruction of TWA 800 require "live ordinance" to create a massive failure of the structural integrity of the aircraft?

We all know that the central fuel tank exploded, but we also know that aviation fuel is not explosive unless it has the proper fuel-air mixture. Something atomized the fuel in the aircraft's tank, mixed it with the air, and created the correct mixture.

That is what a carburetor in a car does. Without the proper fuel-air mixture, your engine simply does not go bang.

You have placed logical blinders upon yourself, that may or may not be supported.

71 posted on 06/07/2005 11:23:55 PM PDT by Hunble (U.S. Army for 20 years)
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To: Hunble; Rokke
If I recall correctly, one of the key men in either Chinagate or Lippogate was on TWA 800 and met an untimely demise (although that may have been pure coincidence.)

There were some witnesses who reported seeing a missile-like object looking like "cheap fireworks" rising from near the shore of Long Island up towards TWA 800. There's no way the fuel tank exploded spontaneously. Military labs made numerous attempts to get commercial jet fuel to explode at operating temperatures using sparking devices and other means, but they were unable to make the fuel explode. This is because the fuel is carefully manufactured so that it cannot explode in fight. If there was even the slightest chance that a 747 could exploded spontaneously, do you think the Air Force would still be using a 747 as Air Force One ?

This disaster was most likely a missile shootdown and the next most likely scenario is an on-board bombing. The successful cover-up of TWA 800 is sad testimony to the continuing refusal of the MSM to investigate and report on the scandals of Democrat politicians.

72 posted on 06/07/2005 11:32:55 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: carl in alaska
B I N G O

This is because the fuel is carefully manufactured so that it cannot explode in fight. If there was even the slightest chance that a 747 could exploded spontaneously, do you think the Air Force would still be using a 747 as Air Force One?

Of course, one person that I know pointed out that Air Force One and TWA 800 were both of the same 747-200 series. He was questioned by the Secret Service because of this factual comment.

73 posted on 06/07/2005 11:39:31 PM PDT by Hunble (U.S. Army for 20 years)
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To: Hunble
"also know that aviation fuel is not explosive unless it has the proper fuel-air mixture."

Pressurization also has a lot to do with it. Just about anything is explosive in the right conditions. Especially in dust or vapor form. Anyone who lives in the Midwest has no doubt heard of grain elevator explosions. And you only have to stick your head in an aircraft fuel tank to know fuel vapor exists inside that tank. It is almost always completely safe. So safe, in fact, that the 747 (and many other aircraft) are designed to use their fuel tanks as heat sinks for cooling electrical equipment. The jet I fly is actually one giant fuel tank full of wiring and other plumbing. Part of that design includes insuring there isn't a source that could introduce a spark into that space. But like anything designed by people, mistakes (including design errors) are made. Just because it doesn't happen often, does not mean the problem doesn't exist. It only has to happen once at just the wrong time. Recently, I blew out a hydraulic actuator on a speedbrake that had never failed in the history of F-16 operations. It drained one of my hydraulic systems in a matter of seconds. After I landed, the factory sent out representatives to take pictures and analyze the part that failed. It had never happened before...until that day. But on that day, all the right conditions occurred to cause the failure. No conspiracy, no cover up, no trend item, and at least in this case no disaster. Just a failure of a system that up until that point had never failed.

74 posted on 06/08/2005 5:44:20 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: carl in alaska
"Military labs made numerous attempts to get commercial jet fuel to explode at operating temperatures using sparking devices and other means, but they were unable to make the fuel explode."

That is not true. In fact, one of the findings of the TWA 800 investigation was that the military had already identified there was a problem regarding high temperatures in the fuel tanks of its E-4B (747) aircraft. The military adjusted its procedures to minimize the potential hazard. Boeing did not pass that info to the civilian world. It may have made a difference.

75 posted on 06/08/2005 6:02:31 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Hunble
"Of course, one person that I know pointed out that Air Force One and TWA 800 were both of the same 747-200 series. He was questioned by the Secret Service because of this factual comment."

Maybe they just wanted to give him more accurate information. To start with, TWA 800 was a 747-100. Not a 200. And it was built almost 20 years before the 747's used to transport the President. Air Force one is such a highly modified 747-200 it is essentially a unique airframe.

76 posted on 06/08/2005 6:08:23 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: carl in alaska; Hunble; knews_hound
"If I recall correctly, one of the key men in either Chinagate or Lippogate was on TWA 800 and met an untimely demise"

I didn't know the passenger list was ever released. I always thought that some investigative reporter should follow up on the passenger list for clues. Is the list available?

77 posted on 06/08/2005 6:32:31 AM PDT by Designer
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To: Rokke
"That is not true. In fact, one of the findings of the TWA 800 investigation was that the military had already identified there was a problem regarding high temperatures in the fuel tanks of its E-4B (747) aircraft."

Can you present the thermodynamic data showing the explosive limits -- air / fuel/temperature/pressure ?

78 posted on 06/08/2005 6:56:55 AM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: Rokke
"Recently, I blew out a hydraulic actuator on a speedbrake that had never failed in the history of F-16 operations. "

That was a mechanical failure -- not a chemical explosion that had never happened before.

79 posted on 06/08/2005 7:05:34 AM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: CHARLITE

The scariest point about her is that she seems to have put her finger to the wind and felt the massive breeze of those who feel there is something that must be done about illegal immigration. She seems to be joining in on some tough discussions about the invasion and by 2008, as it becomes a boiling point issue in our political spectrum, the Republican candidate may avoid the issue or be on the other side of it to counter Hitlary and she may win with it. She won't do anything, but she'll campaign on it and then blame "obstructionist Republicans" for blocking any efforts to do something about it. To try to get Democrap control of Congress by 2010.

Don't think so? Look at the last few days since Hitlary found out that 80-85% of the American people want something done and decided to join up on the right side of the issue. The NYT has been writing articles slamming Illegal Immigration. Before Her Lowness decided to take it on as an issue, they had never met an Illegal they didn't love.

Paul


80 posted on 06/08/2005 7:25:35 AM PDT by spacewarp (Visit the American Patriot Party and stay a while. http://www.patriotparty.us)
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