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CANNIBALIZING HUMANS FOR 'ENLIGHTENED MEDICAL APPLICATIONS'
FreeRepublic ^ | 6/06/2005 | MHGinTN

Posted on 06/06/2005 7:40:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN

CANNIBALIZING HUMAN’S FOR ‘ENLIGHTENED MEDICAL APPLICATIONS’

Washington Journal, on the morning of Monday, June 6, 2005, had as their guest Robert Klein, a leader in the drive to fund and promote embryo stem cell harvesting and experimentation in California. It was a disturbing episode on several levels, mostly because of false assertions from Mister Klein and several supporting callers.

There is fundamental mischaracterization, a big lie, at the foundation of Mister Klein’s assertions regarding the efficacy of killing embryos for their stem cell body parts, and that foundational lie deceives many in the public because of their lack of factual data regarding the nature of embryo-aged human beings … alive human beings whether in a petri dish or a woman’s body. Let’s examine that fundamental mischaracterization, quickly, before it carries the argument and America embraces cannibalism of very young humans … the lie will be pivotal in gaining public support for ‘therapeutic cloning’ in the on-the-horizon near future.

Mister Klein repeatedly characterized alive, fourteen-day old embryos (blastocysts) as undifferentiated cell masses. That is a dissembling lie formulated from a predetermined assumption that is false. It is a scientific fact that the embryo builds both the placenta and the body of other organs for survival in the air world. At fourteen days from conception, an inner cell mass that is building the stem cell mass to become a body of lungs, heart, limbs, and brain has already been differentiated from the cell mass building the first organ for survival, the placenta and amniotic sac.

Characterized as ‘merely a blastocyst’ at this age in a lifetime already begun at conception, the guest and several supporting callers dehumanized this early human age by falsely asserting that the blastocyst is a mass of undifferentiated cells, thus ‘it’ is fair game for killing and harvesting. Yet it is the differentiated inner cell mass which is the target of the cannibalization! If the embryo-aged human life was actually undifferentiated, the ‘harvesters’ would have to wait until the inner and outer cell masses were differentiating: to avoid taking placental cells for embryonic stem cell experiments. Experiments in China using embryo stem cells tragically injected at least one placental stem cell made by the embryo cannibalized for a treatment and the result was death to a Parkinson’s patient due to unnatural cell growth in the patient’s brain!

The lie, that an early embryo at blastocyst age is as yet merely undifferentiated cell mass, is touted and succeeds as argument because most folks are not aware that even at the blastocyst age, the embryonic human life has begun differentiating the cells for survival, already assigning some cells to grow the placenta and others to become the body of organs for survival outside the woman’s body. Additionally, the blastocyst has already differentiated an inner and outer cell mass because to implant the embryo must have a distinct organ under construction which will accomplish the ‘attachment process’ without disturbing the inner cell mass tasked with building the body of organs for later survival outside the water world of the uterus (or artificial uterus, as in Japanese research which already has kept a goat fetus alive for fourteen weeks in an artificial womb).

Harvesting, killing and exploiting the stem cell body parts of embryo-aged human life is cannibalism as surely as if the embryos were served on melba toast at tea time. To sell this cannibalism to the unaware public, the cannibals use lies and exploit public ignorance.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; bioethics; cannibalism; cultureofdeath; escr; fetalstemcells; geneticcannibalism; infanticide; prodeath; stemcellresearch; stemcells
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How do free people wage a conflict against a field of lies and mischaracterizations? ... With facts presented openly in the public forum!
1 posted on 06/06/2005 7:40:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus; hocndoc; rhema; Caleb1411; neverdem; NYer; ...

Please ping your lists; I'm traveling and cannot get back to this thread until this evening when I reach my own computer.


2 posted on 06/06/2005 7:42:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: diotima; onedoug

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3 posted on 06/06/2005 7:44:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Well done, MHG.


4 posted on 06/06/2005 7:45:16 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: reformed_democrat

Thank you ... please carry forth the discussion, for the edification of our fellow Americans, especially Californians who will 'tune in' to FR later in the day.


5 posted on 06/06/2005 7:48:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
SUBJECT: Stem Cell Statements should lead to the REAL Question...
"Are we all cowards as we dance around the real issue? We should at least be brave enough to start by asking just one question: What if scientific medical research finds that embryonic stem cells are a cure for any disease or condition known to man and they could be used to prolong and improve human life indefinitely?
    ...would this change the argument?
or, at this point will the argument really just begin?"
 


 HUMAN LIFE and RIGHTS   We have to respect and Protect All human life
 

To each individual their life is sacred. As a people, to begin to pass judgement or sentence on human life by age, quality, position or potential has the effect of placing a price or a measure on what can only be deemed a gift from our creator.

However, there is a paradox of life and rights:

Our rights as a people for individual-self-government are based upon the uniqueness of human life with rights granted by 'nature's God,' which in turn are protected by our Constitution.

One must follow the other, or else the entire argument of human rights becomes based on man's opinion. Either life with rights is given at the same time that life begins or we have no rights beyond which other men or governments are willing to allow us.

If we as a people do not respect the sacred notion of human LIFE how can we expect to have respect for RIGHTS that are dependent upon the concept of human LIFE itself?

Any society that diminishes the value of one life from another risks its very existence.


thoughts on human stem cells...

Nearly every discussion about the stem cell question has centered on the question of the sources of stem cells - adult versus embryonic - and the potential each has with regards to medicine - and of course the argument that some embryonic research had ended in disaster during research. To see the truth, I personnally believe that we should look at the stem cell argument from a totally new perspective.

I don't think that any of the questions so far are going to the heart of the matter. Are we all cowards as we dance around the real issue? We should at least be brave enough to start by asking just one question:

What if scientific medical research finds that embryonic stem cells are a cure for any disease or condition known to man and they could be used to prolong and improve human life indefinitely?

Would this change the argument? Or, at this point would the argument really just begin? Does it matter if embryonic stem cells are proven to be the medical equivalent of the elusive 'fountain of youth?'

Most civilized nations and people throughout history have been willing to sacrifice themselves so that the next generation will survive. Are we on the verge of becoming a people who are willing to sacrifice the next generation so that our current generation can continue to survive?

I don't think that it matters if we are capable of creating or using one life so that we can save another life. Either we respect all human life or we respect no human life. We cannot have it both ways at the same time.

The reason we as a people must have moral judgment and values which are clearly defined is that any action we take can and could be 'justified' from some practical standpoint. Our morality forces us to draw a line that we won't cross. It is only our sense of morality that allows us to be called human and it is only that which separates us from the jungle.

Once the line is moved from the moral high ground the very concept of morality becomes prosituted and becomes a matter of group or power opinions.

For example, if the Titantic were to sink today, using today's standards of morality and ethics - who would get to climb into the lifeboats first and who would be expected to go down with the ship? I'm not sure that today's society or medical community would stand back and save the women and children...

Any people who move from the position of protecting human life from its beginning to its end becomes just another part of the immoral mob - no better with any opinion - no worse without one. Just a mob.

In the end, the line that we draw on the argument of individual human life will become the line that is drawn to define individual human rights.


...post thoughts part I

As for the argument about the eventual destruction of frozen embryos - the 'they are going to die anyway' logic - history is full of examples of this 'foot-in-the-door' argument.

For background, read about the post WWII 'ethical' use of medical information that resulted from Nazi experiments on institutionalized and concentration camp men, women, and children. For starters, read about the following 'respected 'members of the WWII medical community including one who was a fellow of the Rockefeller Foundation:

Dr. Julius Hallervorden a distinguished academician, who occupied the Chair of Neuropathology at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institut in Berlin-Buch throughout the war years and following the war was a neuropathologist at the Max Planck Institute in Frankfurt. The following is a post-war quote from Hallervorden during an interview: "I heard that they were going to do that and so I went up to them and told them, 'Look here now, boys, if you are going to kill all those people, at least take the brains out so that the material could be utilized'." He is also is documented to have directed the selection of certain children for extermination and subsequent pathological studies as their brains were suitable for a research project.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher a researcher in neurophysiology and originally a Captain in the Luftwaffe Medical Service he wrote of his 'Experiments on Escape from High Altitude' where he had vivisection carried out on his subjects even prior to the heart completely stopping. He also experimented on exposure to hypothermia by the immersion of subjects in ice cold water and took part in a top secret report entitled "Freezing Experiments with Human Beings." Rascher was quite proud of his work with humans. "I am the only one in this whole crowd who really does and knows human physiology because I experiment on humans and not on guinea pigs or mice."

Dr. Georg Schaltenbrand a pre-eminent German clinical neuroscientist who had served as a fellow of the Rockefeller Foundation who used humans for multiple sclerosis experiments designed to find a cure for the disease.

"If the physician presumes to take into consideration in his work whether a life has value or not, the consequences are boundless and the physician becomes the most dangerous man in the state." - Christopher Hufeland, 18th century German physician


...post thoughts part II

To the great celebrities like the late Chistopher Reeves - Michael J. Fox - Mary Tyler Moore - or any pro-stem cell politicians if they really support the use of human embryonic stem cell they should please follow these instructions:

#1) Go to a clinic with your 'better half' and create a fertilized child embryo.

#2) Use that particular embryo for your own research and your own cure or to help others.

OPTION: If you are past the production point ask one of your children or grandchildren to provide(or be) the raw materials for your miracle cure.

Regardless of the political decisions, we can be certain of one thing: those who support and yell the loudest for embryonic stem cell research funding will NOT be the people who will provide their embryonic offspring to the research laboratory.


 
  K&V Jenerette...  

6 posted on 06/06/2005 7:51:20 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: MHGinTN

Truth problaby helps. When that almost-human-and-able-to-breate-on-its-own-mass-of-differentiated cells is able to breathe and think on its own, then we can call it cannibalism.

A better question to ask is: what happened to the Constitution? Why is the government intruding into the private medical decisions of citizens in relationships with their medical providers?


7 posted on 06/06/2005 7:51:58 AM PDT by aliceburrows ("Well, after this, I should think nothing of falling down stairs")
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To: aliceburrows

Uh, care to explain the phrase 'almost human', for we ignorant peasants who don't grasp the magic of suddenly being called human after being dehumanized for the previous portions of a human lifetime?


8 posted on 06/06/2005 7:59:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: aliceburrows

You offered: "A better question to ask is: what happened to the Constitution? Why is the government intruding into the private medical decisions of citizens in relationships with their medical providers?" Why does law make murder unlawful? Intruding into private life?


9 posted on 06/06/2005 8:00:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Why is it that throughout history, some individuals seem to want kill. They always justify the actions with high sounding speech. Hitler killed millions of Jews to cleanse the Nation. He conducted "medical" experiments on live individuals in the name of medical science. Stalin killed tens of millions for the good of the collective. Cesar used Christians as living torches to light the streets.
What is it? Evil? Then why do so many people listen and do nothing?
Thank you US courts for defining down human life. Thank you liberal elitist for teaching us that morality is ever changing. "Those that refuse to learn from history, are bound to repeat it."
10 posted on 06/06/2005 8:01:43 AM PDT by Tex52
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To: MHGinTN
I can't escape the conclusion that this passionate advocacy for embryonic stem-cell research (which is quite LEGAL, folks!! Just unfunded by taxpayers. The entrepeneurs are FREE to INVEST in it) is a smokescreen for abortion advocacy.

If an fetus is to be used as spare parts, it's not only moral, but morally necessary--to kill it. Therefore, abortionists and abortion advocates are something close to godly for their actions...and should be rewarded with medals and money.

11 posted on 06/06/2005 8:01:54 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: aliceburrows
Why is the government intruding into the private medical decisions of citizens in relationships with their medical providers?

Because we started down a slippery slope 3 decades ago and now have partial birth abortion where

that almost-human-and-able-to-breate-on-its-own-mass-of-differentiated cells is able to breathe and think on its own

has a hole punched in his/her head and has his/her brains sucked out.

Life is life, harvesting embryo's for the "betterment" of mankind is just another stop in the downward spiral.

Where are we going ... and why are we in this hand basket?

12 posted on 06/06/2005 8:03:18 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Lexinom

Ping to cogent discussion ...


13 posted on 06/06/2005 8:05:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

'Cannibal'.

The perfect despriptor for the ghouls who would tread in the footsteps of Mengele.

Great post!


14 posted on 06/06/2005 8:11:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ( "No need to call Washington, better to call your neighbors." -FreeRadical)
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To: MHGinTN
Yet it is the differentiated inner cell mass which is the target of the cannibalization!
Game. Set. Match.
15 posted on 06/06/2005 8:16:44 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for your continued efforts.

I am afraid though that those that wish to use embryonic stem cells - know full well they are cannibals or worse and do not care.

Our society will take a major shift when it is ok to use the bodies/lives of some to prolong the lives of others.

Cannibalism to the extreme and ghoulish.


16 posted on 06/06/2005 8:21:37 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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17 posted on 06/06/2005 8:32:34 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: MHGinTN
The Crossing of the Rubicon
18 posted on 06/06/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: MHGinTN

In a society which condones killing the unborn, what possible reason can there be for not cannibalizing them? I wonder how different we are from older civilizations which engaged in human sacrifice.


19 posted on 06/06/2005 8:43:23 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Van Jenerette

Stunning statement to say the least. The best I've seen.


20 posted on 06/06/2005 9:28:50 AM PDT by WVNan
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