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To: Swordmaker
I notice you don't bother to address my fact filled posts...

Facts according to whom?

I'm very busy and I cannot be on top of just your postings. I'm on other sites and have spent too much time on this topic, even though it is an interesting topic.

The plane was shredded like an egg hitting a chainlink fence. Almost all of the aircraft was recovered... most of it in itty, bitty pieces.

Not according to government sources. Official government story is that the missing engine was vaporized by fire.

And if it was shredded as you say...why then did it penetrate so deeply into the pentagon? Little iddy biddy pieces.........don't make holes like in the photographs.

217 posted on 06/06/2005 10:08:57 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive; Kath; dirtbiker; Psycho_Bunny; AntiGuv; Rodney King; Hegewisch Dupa; TAdams8591; ...
Facts according to whom?

YOU claimed certain things as fact... among which were that there was no damage on the freeway that would occur if an airliner had flown so low. I provided photographic evidence of the damage the airliner made on the freeway. YOU claimed no damage to the buildings caused by the wings... I provided photographic evidence of the damage caused by the wings striking the first floor ... knocking out the walls and windows in a wide expanse almost equal to the wingspan of a Boeing 757. YOU claimed no parts of a 757 were found in the Pentagon... I provided photographic evidence of Boeing 757 parts both in and out of the Pentagon including landing wheel hubs (identical matches), engine parts, aluminun skin, etc. YOU claimed extraordinary temperatures (exceeding those found on the sun) and I provided you with the facts, easily found in authoritative sources... proving your facts to be false.

Despite this plethora of evidence you, sir, stand mute, choosing to ignore what you cannot refute:

I'm very busy and I cannot be on top of just your postings. I'm on other sites and have spent too much time on this topic, even though it is an interesting topic.

You are not only an idiot, but you are a coward as well. You have decided to run and hide. OK. Bye.

"Not according to government sources. Official government story is that the missing engine was vaporized by fire."

In fairness to you, I did find one quotation referencing this.

Semi-official sources have speculated that perhaps fire consumed the aircraft, in some cases vaporizing the aluminum and then sometime later modified to simply melting the aluminum -- yet this seems highly unlikely, according to an analysis by Kee Dewdney and Gerry Longspaugh.

What is a "semi-official" source??? Are these sources only "official" on off Tuesdays? Is it something like being slightly pregnant??? The mind boggles at the possibilities!

I have NOT, however, found any "official" source making such a claim... and it certainly is not a possibility that the engines, made of high-temperature resistant steel alloys, would have "vaporized." It is, however, unnecessary to find such a statement because there is "no missing engine."

Since parts of both engines were found, your statement is clearly a lie. Whether you originated it, or you believe someone else who has originated it, does not negate the fact that there is no "vaporized" missing engine.

Conspiracists claim the ~3 foot diameter engine rotor part is too small to have come from the engines used on the American Airlines' 757. They point to the fact the engines are 9 feet in diameter and this part is too small. They quote engineers from Pratt and Whitney and General Electric as "not recognizing" that part as being part of their engines. But those conspiracy sites don't tell the whole story of why the engineers don't recognize it! It's not from either one of their engines!

The engines installed on this aircraft are Rolls Royce RB211-535E4B, a low/high pressure system turbofans (See cut-away drawing below). The low pressure part features a visible 8-9 foot diameter fan, but the high pressure portion features two ~3 foot diameter turbine rotors - a high pressure compressor fan and a high pressure turbine fan:

The rotor seen in the Pentagon pictures:

is the remains of the High Pressure Compressor Fan from one of the engines.

One engine was removed by a crane (numerous eyewitness reports of by-standers watching the demolishing of the remains of the building, as well as the official reports) almost intact (the fans still attached to their shafts). Since that engine was removed intact, and we have a photograph in situ of the compressor fan from the other engine, we have evidence of TWO (2) engines found in the Pentagon... and those engines were Rolls Royce RB211-535E4B Turbofans from a Boeing 757.

218 posted on 06/07/2005 12:08:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Radioactive
Little iddy biddy pieces.........don't make holes like in the photographs.

A tornado (up to 300mph) can drive a piece of straw through a telephone pole. Buckshot does a whole lot of damage. A mass of itty-bitty pieces weighing tons at 500mph will go through a building.
219 posted on 06/07/2005 1:01:39 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Radioactive
Official government story is that the missing engine was vaporized by fire.

Official government story? So, you come here spouting the official government story, declare how we cannot trust the government, that the government lies, THEN, when the official government story is refuted, you CONTINUE to spout the government story!

Have I got it right so far?

225 posted on 06/07/2005 2:44:59 AM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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