Posted on 06/04/2005 2:32:50 PM PDT by HAL9000
Thanks HAL, I would expect that and have a similar situation with the Sun Solaris x86 I'm using, but it's not really a problem since I mostly use it for software experimentation and not peripheral control. It's a little clunky though, even though they've replaced CDE with the "Java Desktop System", and I'd like to get up to speed on the latest Mac interface. The Stardock OSX/Aqua/Tiger similators on Windows look really good, but once you drill down into the menus they're not nearly complete. Hopefully one day soon I can access them of the actual operating systems on one system, preferrably through VMWARE.
I used this machine to bring up 12 UNISYS 1100 mainframes running UNIX-1100 from Bellcore from 1983 until 1986. It is still a viable 5 user machine with a functioning uucp connection. Before I had access to the internet, this machine provided e-mail connectivity via uucp with the smart uucp map implemented so I didn't have to memorize the full "bang path" to a given destination.
My Heathkit H-8 still works fine too. It has an upgraded Trionyx CPU, memory and backplane board. 64K of dynamic RAM in 4 rows of 16k chips...all hand assembled. It boots HDOS and CPM and is equipped with dual 1.25 MB 8 inch floppy drives. I never added a hard disk as the clutch failed in my car just as I had the money saved for the SASI interface board. Remember the Shugart Associates Systems Interface? It morphed into what we know as the Small Computer Systems Interface (SCSI) today.
I got the II+ when it first came out, that may have been 79. Then in the early 80's I used to sell them for MicroAge, I was a real Apple fanatic back then. When I went on to another job we were all using PC's, and it was in my interest to switch. But I've always been an Apple supporter, your membership questionaire notwithstanding, LOL. I used to drive around with that little multi color sticker in my backseat window, pretty funny when I think about it now.
Actually I'll consider it the day I can load it on generic Intel hardware, and don't have to lock myself into Apple's hardware. I already told you I was ready to pay $150 the very day I can do it. You are definitely what they call a "fanatic". Worse than I ever was, LOL.
If Apple shifts to Intel chips, they will undoubtedly build a standard hardware configuration. That will continue their record of stable hardware instead of the constantly morphing world of the IBM PC architecture. Mac OS X won't be the only software to run on the platform. You can plan on the Linux people jumping right in with a port. Microsoft might not choose to play if the architecture is not an IBM PC type architecture. Recall that Microsoft blew off further support of Windows NT on the PowerPC. Microsoft excels at covering the world of IBM PC architecture boxes.
A version of Apple OS X might be interesting to run on one of the high end x86 boxes. I'm going to have to move most of the gear to the basement to deal with the heat load. It gets unbearable with all the boxes running.
"If Apple shifts to Intel chips, they will undoubtedly build a standard hardware configuration. That will continue their record of stable hardware instead of the constantly morphing world of the IBM PC architecture. Mac OS X won't be the only software to run on the platform. You can plan on the Linux people jumping right in with a port. Microsoft might not choose to play if the architecture is not an IBM PC type architecture. Recall that Microsoft blew off further support of Windows NT on the PowerPC. Microsoft excels at covering the world of IBM PC architecture boxes."
Ubuntu has a PowerPC ISO. It runs on G3, G4 and G5.
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
Thanks, I was mostly working on VAX's at that time, Pathworks, and MS-DOS, but I do remember how shocked I was that Apple was partnering with IBM, I think they called it "AIM". About that same time Windows 3.0 was coming out, and we were working with SCO Unix, and Novell as well. We had a few Macs, but with MS-DOS, Windows, SCO Unix, Novell, all running on Intel, that ended up being our primary hardware platform to replace our VAX's and HP/SUN Unix systems. I wasn't in the position at the time to make the purchasing decisions, but as our network grew the clients were almost all either more cheap VT terminals, or MS-DOS Zenith systems that we were buying through a special contract for the Air Force. Mac's were considered "Navy", and "expensive", and since we weren't using them except for joint programs I wasn't keeping up with them much at that time. It was sort of strange to see Apple go from what had originally been considered 10 years before a cheap alternative to our Data General and other minicomputers, to having them be undercut by Microsoft and the clones, and was now instead considered a premium-like solution, especially if you wanted color on your Mac.
If Apple shifts to Intel chips, they will undoubtedly build a standard hardware configuration. That will continue their record of stable hardware instead of the constantly morphing world of the IBM PC architecture. Mac OS X won't be the only software to run on the platform. You can plan on the Linux people jumping right in with a port. Microsoft might not choose to play if the architecture is not an IBM PC type architecture.
If Apple comes out with a proprietary Intel blend, I doubt they will want Windows running on it and will make it somehow incompatible and refuse to license it to Microsoft, nor will Microsoft care to build reverse engnineered compatibility into Windows. However the emergence of Linux freeware has already led to some unexpected partnerships between the proprietary vendors, such as the formerly unthinkable but now existing partnership between Sun and Microsoft, so anything can apparently happen. Scott McNealy of Sun was quoted as saying a couple of days ago, "it's mankind verses IBM" now, something he previously hung on Microsoft, and we may be seeing an emergence of new agreements that include those two and maybe HP and Apple as well, who have also been working together of late. Going to be interesting for sure.
LOL I know what you mean, noise is my main complaint, especially the dual processor IBM server I have running here at the house, that thing always sounds like it's ready to take off. I usually don't go in there too often unless I'm burning DVD's or printing off some things, and instead acess all the systems remotely over wireless, from my Pentium M laptop or my favorite little device, a 1-pound Windows CE Handheld PC (H/PC) by NEC that has instant on/off and can run a full terminal server client to remote control the Windows 2000 and XP systems. That's another reason I hope Apple will release OSX for generic Intel and be VMWARE compatible, so I could actually run it remotely like I can Solaris through the terminal server session on the H/PC without having to completely reboot it completely into the O/S. I obviously really love this stuff and can't seem to get away from it, even in the bathroom, ROFLMAO.
You can stick with your OS X skins on Windows. Whooopee.
Well I could run Pear PC but I think that violates the Apple license agreement, and I don't want to do that. So while I like Apple and hope they are able to defend themselves from IBM's Linux assualt, unless they make their required price entry point more affordable I'll just have to enjoy playing with it each time I'm down at CompUSA. I'll always have a special place for them in my heart though, since my love of my original Apple II is what helped inspire me to move out of my original field of component level electronics engineering and into MIS. It is pretty funny to watch you gaurd the door to Apple fandom like rabid bouncer at a nightclub door though, no wonder Apple's market share has continued to decline all these years, they have guys like you to thank.
Yep, Boo linux, yea Microsoft is the alpha and omega of your posting on FR. The rest is snowjobbing to somehow work it into some other topic, like you tried here.
It is pretty funny to watch you gaurd the door to Apple fandom
Nope, just calling you on your B.S.
Apple's market share has continued to decline all these years, they have guys like you to thank.
Yeah right, "long time Apple supporter."
Right. The only way this makes sense to me is if Intel will start building PPC-compatible CPUs. From discussions I've read elsewhere this is somewhat plausible; Intel's current chips are essentially a RISC core with an x86 translator in front, so it might not be that hard to switch the translator to PPC. It would still be a major undertaking, but I can believe that more easily than that Apple will instantly obsolete their entire installed base.
That may make sense to you but it doesn't make any sense to Intel. "x86" was specifically mentioned in the CNet report as a quote from Jobs himself, backwards compatibility will likely be provided through some sort of emulation or fat binaries, either one being easily capable.
Proving my point again.
90% of people use Microsoft,
And again...
I never could have achieved the very significant income and authority I now have…
Yes, not to mention your humility.
I will however continue to support Apple…
Yeah, I've seen how you do that. They're too expensive, yada yada.
they are a very innovative company who makes outstanding products
And if you could have it for 150 bucks without any new hardware, you'd really honestly seriously consider them there innovative, outstanding products. Guess that "significant income and authority" must be stretched a mite thin.
But, hey, ya still got your nifty X skin.
Mike, this thread should make you squint at the sky and yell obscenities at elderly couples.
I've been thinking about this, and unfortunately I can't think of a way to make this work. The major problem is that Apple doesn't own PPC, IBM and Moto do, and why would they license it to Intel?
stop he's already been staring into the son too long.
No, that would be 'Classy Green Eyed Blond', who, when staring at the sun, saw the Host.
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