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A fascinating discussion that blows the myth of "heterosexual AIDS" out of the water.
1 posted on 06/03/2005 11:18:40 AM PDT by FormerLib
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To: little jeremiah; scripter; Clint N. Suhks

ping


2 posted on 06/03/2005 11:19:10 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Watch those verbs, willya?


3 posted on 06/03/2005 11:20:05 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: FormerLib

Ummm, this is a very stupid article...there are many studies showing that women can get aids from heterosexual intercourse. In fact, the largest group of people currently growing in number of infections is African American Heterosexual Women.


5 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:23 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: FormerLib
I don't want to seem to be supporting the homo agenda ... but frankly this article is trash.

Tell the 100's of millions in Africa that it's a homo disease.
6 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:24 AM PDT by Nyboe (From God we receive both our freedom and morality. A Godless society will have neither.)
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To: FormerLib
One of the most popular jokes among people in the medical community goes something like;....Q:'What do you call a heterosexual with AIDS??
A: 'A gay liar'
7 posted on 06/03/2005 11:24:07 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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PIng fOR LAteR!


11 posted on 06/03/2005 11:27:07 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: FormerLib
Also in the article:
In the case of Africa (and probably other regions with similar hygiene problems), the Big Lie has led not only to impaired sex lives, but to mass death. Not only have resources been wasted, but the effective method of stopping HIV has been largely ignored. This method would involve replacing the current campaigns with mass distribution of syringes (and other puncturing devices) that become disabled after each use. Syringes would also be provided for home use, to replace the popular reusable home injection kits. To the extent that any sexual messages are needed, they must explicitly focus on the one sexual behavior that is a major HIV/AIDS risk for otherwise reasonably healthy persons -- receptive anal intercourse.

14 posted on 06/03/2005 11:29:05 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

BUMP!


45 posted on 06/03/2005 11:49:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: FormerLib

"A fascinating discussion that blows the myth of "heterosexual AIDS" out of the water."

Are you willing to take that gamble with your life?


54 posted on 06/03/2005 12:01:56 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: FormerLib

The panel seem to think medical injections are the most significant reason for the spread.


60 posted on 06/03/2005 12:08:14 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: FormerLib; All
From the article: Dr. Brody's comments seemingly dismiss the importance of penile-vaginal intercourse as a risk factor for HIV; I suspect he would be the first to admit that, in the presence of genital inflammation or disease, this risk is very real. Such genital pathology is likely to be common in Africa and other poor regions. My GUESS is that about 20% of HIV in sub-Saharan Africa is transmitted peno-vaginally, a non-trivial burden. Thus I think prevention messages in Africa MUST continue to pay attention to advocating safer sex. But they also must warn of the dangers of non-sterile punctures AND specifically discourage unprotected receptive anal intercourse. Squeamishness and civility be damned; we're talking about lives here.

Interestingly this is one of the article ranges that occasionally pop up on FR every 3 months or so (another example of such being the ‘Earth is 6,000 years old – or thereabouts’ articles that pop up every now and then; and another being the ‘HIV/AIDS doesn’t exist, and/or it is only Malaria’ spiel that some Freeper – now banned – was trying to assert). And it seems perfect in saying that HIV/AIDS is solely the domain of homosexual/drugee facets, which in a way (actually it) is the case in the west, where most of the infected normally have some link with gay culture, be it knowingly or unknowingly (for example when a husband is having secret gay sex and then bringing death home).

But saying that in the 3rd world it is due – or I mean the person GUESSES – it is due to anal intercourse and infected needles is ludicrous (interesting how in the Frontpage mag he espouses the anal connection yet in his interview with the Post he was concentrating on the needle aspect). Homosexual sex is anathema to a level you couldn’t believe. And not just that but the spread patterns are quite different in the 3rd world than they are in the West. The dispersion patterns in the west are centered around nodes, with clearly defined hubs of homosexual activity. And the numbers involved are far less than in non-western nations. However in the 3rd world the dispersal patterns are far more obtuse (with the important hubs being cities and commercial/transportation centers), the numbers are immense (unless Africa and Asia are gay paradises with millions of people having anal sex), and there have been several studies done (plus a host of preventive programs, some that have worked). Actually take Uganda. Up and until around 5 years ago that country was killing itself. Whole villages were being wiped out (which was ironic considering the dude who was saying it was all ‘lies’ and that the culprit was ‘malaria’ – an interesting, and ridiculous, point considering that the survivors in those areas were little children and their grandparents ….basically the very old and very young A.K.A malaria’s favorite victims). Anyways, Uganda was imploding in a way that even South Africa hasn’t yet touched, but nowadays the AIDS crisis in Uganda is not only under control but actually being turned down. What happened is that the local churches had mass drives where they told the people most at risk to start respecting themselves and not engage in promiscuous sex, and at the same time local NGOs started reaching out to the women (since it was easier to reach more of them than the men who were out in the cities working) and teaching them on how the virus was spread and ways to protect oneself. The results were quickly apparent and Uganda saved itself from a death spiral. Compare and contrast with South Africa, a country which is vastly more developed than Uganda but is going through death throes due to frenetic infection rates. In SA there are all sorts of stupid politics, eg some politicians saying HIV doesn’t exist, scientists clashing with religious leaders and vice-versa, people believing all sorts of stupid notions (which sadly leads to atrocities like child rape) etc etc etc. Thus countries like Uganda and Zambia (Zambia is another country that is actually reversing the epidemic), as well as Cote d’vore (where by approaching prostitutes and educating them about viral spread they have managed to reduce infection in the prostitutes from just under 90% to 30%, and by doing so basically stop in its tracks the spread to the wider population) are having positive results, while nations like Zimbabwe and South Africa are burning their candle at both ends (and in the nations with crazy spread you’ll find people who have their heads in the sand …eg SA president Thambo Mbeki and his beliefs that AIDS is a ‘nutritional deficiency’) .

Anyways, the spread of HIV is different between the hemispheres. In Africa, Asia and South America the major mode of transmission is loose heterosexual contact. It is that simple. And a booster in infection is that diseases like gonorrhea and syphilis also make infection easier. And there have been studies (that the people in the article apparently haven’t come across) where prostitutes in commercial and trucking centers in Africa have been queried for many years in a row (reason being that some of the prostitutes started to develop immunity to HIV, with a small number actually being heavily resistant to infection). According to the prostitutes most of their johns wanted to have unprotected sex, vaginal sex, and they would do this while they worked in the commercial centers. Most of the johns never wanted to use any form of protection, and many of the prostitutes never demanded it either. Thus a focal point developed, and from there spread.

Anyways, I can see why it would be perfect to say homosexual behavior is responsible for the millions of HIV infections in Asia, Africa and South America, but the honest truth is it is not. In the west yes, and the patterns (and people infected) show it. But elsewhere it is simply not the case.

But hey, at least the article did not say it was due to ‘malaria’ or ‘nutritional deficiencies.’ That’s an improvement. And this time the article included real scientists (the other Freeper had included some dude from the Brahma Kumaris 'World spiritual University' cult as his source, and an article from a magazine that ALSO had pieces on UFO proofs and water dousing). Thus this is a significant improvement.

73 posted on 06/03/2005 12:18:21 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: FormerLib
the "experts" asserted that

[1] needle hygiene in Africa was not a major problem,

and

[2] there was almost no anal intercourse in sub-Saharan Africa.

Careful review of the scientific evidence (in papers I and my colleagues have published) shows that unsafe punctures (such as injections for medication) are the major risk, and that there is no lack of anal intercourse (both heterosexual and homosexual) in Africa.

78 posted on 06/03/2005 12:19:59 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (WARNING: Exposure To The Son May Prevent Burning.)
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To: FormerLib
It was also apparent to the homosexual community that given that affected population, generous federal funding would not be forthcoming.

No matter how many times it is repeated, it's not true.

From 1982-1987, anybody could get an AIDS grant. The dollars available greatly exceeded the supply of good or even feasible ideas.

AIDS vaccine research centers were set up in hospitals with no prior vaccine research experience. Community organizations were funded to do "research" that couldn't get a dime if it was about anything else.

The history of Federal support of AIDS research is a remarkable success story, beginning in the first Reagan administration.

143 posted on 06/03/2005 1:31:12 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: FormerLib
So-called "gender feminists", inspired by the late Andrea Dworkin and her ilk, were keen to vilify intercourse, and hoped to reduce intercourse frequency (in favor of sexual behaviors that were less exclusively heterosexual), as well as to dampen its quality and intimacy (via condom promotion).

Sounds like pure jealousy from a "woman" like Dworkin, who clearly was never propositioned by a single man for sex in her entire (thankfully brief) life...


170 posted on 06/03/2005 3:02:26 PM PDT by montag813
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To: FormerLib

THE GREAT HIV / AIDS HOAX

The multi-billion dollar AIDS/HIV fraud is based on two fabrications: that AIDS is a single disease and that it is caused by the HI virus or the "HIV virus" as some medical/media masterminds call it - perhaps they think the V in HIV stands for volcano.

In Japan "AIDS" is virtually unknown : yet, in random tests, 25% of people were found to be "HIV-positive".
HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health: it can be triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza,
papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis, syphillis ... : over sixty different conditions.

Dr Robert E. Willner, inoculated himself with the blood of Pedro Tocino, a HIV-positive haemophiliac, on live Spanish television: an event which was not picked up the pharma-beholden British or US media.

The great HIV/AIDS lie was created by Robert Gallo who was found guilty of "scientific misconduct". "...instead of trying to prove his insane theories about AIDS to his peers...he went public. Then, with the help of
Margaret Heckler, former head of Health and Human Services, who was under great political pressure to come up with an answer to AIDS, the infamous
world press announcement of the discovery of the so-called AIDS virus came about.

This great fraud is now responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands... It was no accident that Gallo just happened to patent the test for HIV the day after the announcement...Gallo is now a multi-millionaire because of AIDS and his fraudulent AIDS test." Dr.
Willner.

By grouping together 25-plus different diseases and other allied factors -
pneumonia, herpes, candidiasis, salmonella, various cancers, infections, vaccine and antibiotic damage, amyl nitrate damage, malnutrition etc.and,
particularly in Africa, TB, malaria, dysentery leprosy and "slim disease" - and calling the whole thing an "AIDS epidemic", a multi-billion dollar/pound "AIDS research and treatment" racket has been created.

The mythical "HIV-induced AIDS plague" in the Third World generates huge sums of cash from Western relief organisations whilst smokescreening the
vaccine/drug boys, responsible for the carnage.

Every death of someone "HIV-positive" is recorded as an "AIDS death".

Periodically, the BBC/ITV/Press visit
Africa/Yugoslavia/Russia etc to
report on the "HIV/AIDS victims" and how they cannot afford the "life-saving AZT." Glaxo Wellcome's lethal drug, AZT, in combination with the diagnosis of
HIV-positive and the prediction, stated or implied, that - "You will die of AIDS" is one of the great pieces of Medical Black Magic - Voodoo Medicine at its most impressive: people have committed suicide on the
basis of the ludicrous diagnosis.

Pregnant women who are HIV-positive have been told to stop breast-feeding, dosed with AZT, have had abortions or have been sterilised. HIV-positive
babies who become ill -from vaccination or whatever - are automatically diagnosed as "suffering from AIDS".
"Considering that there is little scientific proof of the exact linkage of HIV and AIDS, is it ethical to prescribe AZT, a toxic chain terminator of DNA...to 150,000 Americans - among them pregnant women and newborn babies..? Rep.G Gutknecht US House of Representatives.

New Labour "Health" have now announced that all pregnant women in the UK will be "offered" a HIV test. Those who fall for the scam and who are diagnosed as "HIV positive" will be given the chance to have themselves and their unborn child permanently damaged by AZT etc. Pregnancy, itself, can cause a positive diagnosis.

AZT began as a "cancer drug" but was withdrawn for being too toxic: like being thrown out of the Gestapo for cruelty. Its effects include - cancer, hepatitis, dementia, seizures, anxiety, impotence, leukopaenia, , severe
nausea, ataxia, etc. and the termination of DNA synthesis. i.e. AIDS/death by prescription. AZT eventually kills all those who continue to take it.

"WARNING : Retrovir (AZT)...has been associated with symptomatic myopathy, similar to that produced by Human Immunodeficiency Virus..." Glaxo
Wellcome literature!

None of which stops the medical trade from pushing it on every trusting sap who is not ill to start with but is labelled with the "HIV-positive" nonsense and then destroyed by AZT; with "AIDS" getting the blame - and
more billions pouring in for the drug boys, vivisectors, animal breeders and the rest. The latest stunt is to give a "cocktail" of drugs - including AZT, of course, and at £12,000 per head, per year - to all homosexual men who are "HIV-positive".

A particularly good scam is to haul into court someone "guilty of deliberately infecting the victim with the 'HIV-Virus which causes AIDS' " which then develops into "full-blown AIDS" - no mention of vaccine,
antibiotic damage etc or full-blown AZT. Over 2000 - and rising, of the world's scientists are now disputing the HIV hoax, their efforts being continually suppressed by the AIDS establishment, the pharmaceutical/vivisection syndicate and their political and media lackeys


185 posted on 06/03/2005 4:17:15 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: FormerLib

In a previous thread I asked you the question of how you account for the high percentage of hemophiliacs who died of AIDS before the blood supply was tested for HIV. Predictably, you were unable to answer this.


189 posted on 06/03/2005 4:40:51 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: FormerLib
I've been telling people this for years and MAN do they hot headed! I'll never forget Bernie Goldberg's news magazine story (which he recounts in Bias, where the activist admits that the AIDS scare was a scam. Like climate change, those on the left of this issue completely refuse to use facts.
191 posted on 06/03/2005 5:39:52 PM PDT by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com)
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