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To: FormerLib; All
From the article: Dr. Brody's comments seemingly dismiss the importance of penile-vaginal intercourse as a risk factor for HIV; I suspect he would be the first to admit that, in the presence of genital inflammation or disease, this risk is very real. Such genital pathology is likely to be common in Africa and other poor regions. My GUESS is that about 20% of HIV in sub-Saharan Africa is transmitted peno-vaginally, a non-trivial burden. Thus I think prevention messages in Africa MUST continue to pay attention to advocating safer sex. But they also must warn of the dangers of non-sterile punctures AND specifically discourage unprotected receptive anal intercourse. Squeamishness and civility be damned; we're talking about lives here.

Interestingly this is one of the article ranges that occasionally pop up on FR every 3 months or so (another example of such being the ‘Earth is 6,000 years old – or thereabouts’ articles that pop up every now and then; and another being the ‘HIV/AIDS doesn’t exist, and/or it is only Malaria’ spiel that some Freeper – now banned – was trying to assert). And it seems perfect in saying that HIV/AIDS is solely the domain of homosexual/drugee facets, which in a way (actually it) is the case in the west, where most of the infected normally have some link with gay culture, be it knowingly or unknowingly (for example when a husband is having secret gay sex and then bringing death home).

But saying that in the 3rd world it is due – or I mean the person GUESSES – it is due to anal intercourse and infected needles is ludicrous (interesting how in the Frontpage mag he espouses the anal connection yet in his interview with the Post he was concentrating on the needle aspect). Homosexual sex is anathema to a level you couldn’t believe. And not just that but the spread patterns are quite different in the 3rd world than they are in the West. The dispersion patterns in the west are centered around nodes, with clearly defined hubs of homosexual activity. And the numbers involved are far less than in non-western nations. However in the 3rd world the dispersal patterns are far more obtuse (with the important hubs being cities and commercial/transportation centers), the numbers are immense (unless Africa and Asia are gay paradises with millions of people having anal sex), and there have been several studies done (plus a host of preventive programs, some that have worked). Actually take Uganda. Up and until around 5 years ago that country was killing itself. Whole villages were being wiped out (which was ironic considering the dude who was saying it was all ‘lies’ and that the culprit was ‘malaria’ – an interesting, and ridiculous, point considering that the survivors in those areas were little children and their grandparents ….basically the very old and very young A.K.A malaria’s favorite victims). Anyways, Uganda was imploding in a way that even South Africa hasn’t yet touched, but nowadays the AIDS crisis in Uganda is not only under control but actually being turned down. What happened is that the local churches had mass drives where they told the people most at risk to start respecting themselves and not engage in promiscuous sex, and at the same time local NGOs started reaching out to the women (since it was easier to reach more of them than the men who were out in the cities working) and teaching them on how the virus was spread and ways to protect oneself. The results were quickly apparent and Uganda saved itself from a death spiral. Compare and contrast with South Africa, a country which is vastly more developed than Uganda but is going through death throes due to frenetic infection rates. In SA there are all sorts of stupid politics, eg some politicians saying HIV doesn’t exist, scientists clashing with religious leaders and vice-versa, people believing all sorts of stupid notions (which sadly leads to atrocities like child rape) etc etc etc. Thus countries like Uganda and Zambia (Zambia is another country that is actually reversing the epidemic), as well as Cote d’vore (where by approaching prostitutes and educating them about viral spread they have managed to reduce infection in the prostitutes from just under 90% to 30%, and by doing so basically stop in its tracks the spread to the wider population) are having positive results, while nations like Zimbabwe and South Africa are burning their candle at both ends (and in the nations with crazy spread you’ll find people who have their heads in the sand …eg SA president Thambo Mbeki and his beliefs that AIDS is a ‘nutritional deficiency’) .

Anyways, the spread of HIV is different between the hemispheres. In Africa, Asia and South America the major mode of transmission is loose heterosexual contact. It is that simple. And a booster in infection is that diseases like gonorrhea and syphilis also make infection easier. And there have been studies (that the people in the article apparently haven’t come across) where prostitutes in commercial and trucking centers in Africa have been queried for many years in a row (reason being that some of the prostitutes started to develop immunity to HIV, with a small number actually being heavily resistant to infection). According to the prostitutes most of their johns wanted to have unprotected sex, vaginal sex, and they would do this while they worked in the commercial centers. Most of the johns never wanted to use any form of protection, and many of the prostitutes never demanded it either. Thus a focal point developed, and from there spread.

Anyways, I can see why it would be perfect to say homosexual behavior is responsible for the millions of HIV infections in Asia, Africa and South America, but the honest truth is it is not. In the west yes, and the patterns (and people infected) show it. But elsewhere it is simply not the case.

But hey, at least the article did not say it was due to ‘malaria’ or ‘nutritional deficiencies.’ That’s an improvement. And this time the article included real scientists (the other Freeper had included some dude from the Brahma Kumaris 'World spiritual University' cult as his source, and an article from a magazine that ALSO had pieces on UFO proofs and water dousing). Thus this is a significant improvement.

73 posted on 06/03/2005 12:18:21 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

Thank you for your post.


79 posted on 06/03/2005 12:20:24 PM PDT by Tulane
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To: spetznaz
In Africa, Asia and South America the major mode of transmission is loose heterosexual contact.

Actually, that does not appear to be precisely true according to this article and, until the agenda-driven science is removed from the equation, it is unlikely that the truth will be known.

84 posted on 06/03/2005 12:23:43 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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