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What is the goal of the ACLU?
Eco-logic Powerhouse magazine ^ | June1, 2005 | Jack Ward

Posted on 06/03/2005 10:56:36 AM PDT by snuffy smiff

What is the goal of the ACLU?

By Jack Ward

June 1, 2005

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sounds like an organization that protects American values. Many people believe that the ACLU is the nation's guardian of liberty, and great protector of the U.S. Constitution. Unfortunately, the ACLU was never a promoter, or protector of American values or the Constitution. In fact, ACLU might as well stand for the American Communist Lawyers Union. The ACLU has created the facade that it is a champion of the oppressed, but it uses the powers of the government to coerce all members of our society into accepting a socialist existence.

Don't believe me, just read what Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don't regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted, and I traveled the United Front road to get it." In spite of Baldwin's Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.

Baldwin didn't create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists, and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.

Former chairman of the Communist Party USA, William Z. Foster was also an ACLU co-founder. Foster said, "The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body of forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers, and so on."

The ACLU's official policy statement reveals that the intent of the ACLU (like the Communist Manifesto) is to undermine the moral foundation, and weaken the fabric of our society. For example, according to the ACLU's Policy Guide, the ACLU supports the legalization of all drugs (including "hard" drugs, like crack and PCP), public drunkenness, pornography (including "kiddie porn"), sexual perversion, (including sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia), prostitution (including child prostitution), euthanasia, and infanticide.

Policy numbers 62 and 75 reveal that the ACLU is also opposed to a parent's role in educating their children, including home schooling and vouchers. Obviously, they believe the education of our youth is too important to be left to parents.

Policy numbers 239 and 242 state that the ACLU is opposed to the death penalty, even for the most heinous murderers. What is worse, the ACLU demands that all criminals (except murderers) be given suspended sentences, and released back into the community. We already know that most convicted criminals are prone to resume their life of crime, once released from prison. The ACLU policy of leniency is on display, everyday. These are examples of ACLU Policies that are designed to weaken the fabric of our society.

The ACLU mirrors Lenin's Rules for Revolution. Lenin's rules were revealed after a 1919 raid in Dusseldorf, Germany. The files marked Communist Rules for Revolution, included:

corrupt the young, control all means of publicity, divide people into hostile groups, destroy people's faith, preach democracy, but seize power, encourage government extravagance and discontent, foment strikes and civil disorder, breakdown moral values, and create a pretext to control all firearms.

These were Lenin's plans to undermine a society and create chaos, in order to successfully overthrow a government. And all this time, you thought that the ACLU was really concerned with your civil liberties.

Now, you know that the goal of the ACLU was, and continues to be, to promote Communism. Baldwin and his Communist buddies ran the ACLU for thirty years promoting the goals of the Communist Manifesto, and little has changed since he left. While it is true that not all ACLU members or supporters are Communists, all must be sympathetic to the ACLU goals, or they wouldn't be associated with the ACLU.

Once created, the ACLU provided legal protection to Communist infiltrators in the U.S. Since then, the ACLU has been the legal arm of the Collective Left (Communists, Socialists, Progressives, and Liberals) anarchists, radicals, and members of the Ku Klux Klan and NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association).

Former ACLU Southern California staff attorney, Rees Lloyd is now working to expose the ACLU. Lloyd describes the ACLU as, "the Taliban of American liberal secularism."

I guess that the ACLU's goal must be to create anarchy, and destroy our society.


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To: LittleAlex
Some may wish to berate. I wish to discuss issues.

You say: I agree with democrats on civil liberties, open government, and freedom of speech.

Please define each and state why you believe Democrats are better purveyors of said values, as opposed to Republicans, Libertarians, et al.?

41 posted on 06/03/2005 11:51:13 AM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: b.crinton
American Communist Lawyers Union, Now that's a good one but I refer them this way.

the Union that takes Liberties with Civil America
42 posted on 06/03/2005 11:52:40 AM PDT by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
The ACLU is doing SOME good work regarding privacy rights in the new technological age. I do think it is important to fight creation of large databases for tracking and identifying every citizen regardless of criminal offense. The ACLU has make some inroads into curbing the TSA in their ill-conceived policies of screening randomly/stupidly rather that screening those most demographically or actually connected with "terrorist" activities.

-Alex
43 posted on 06/03/2005 11:53:34 AM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
I agree with democrats on civil liberties, open government, and freedom of speech. Where does that put me?

Sooooooooo, Republicans/Conservatives are NOT for civil liberties and freedom of speech? That makes you a troll!

Although the administration may have been misled concerning certain facts, it appears that facts that did not support the stated policy were either ignored or misrepresented.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1415539/posts?page=86#86

Read and learn about where you are............Here are all your pals...errr...sorry, the other side quotes and their agreement on the FACTS which they blame Bush for!

Hope that will answer your questions!

44 posted on 06/03/2005 11:56:06 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: derheimwill
I will certainly concede that the ACLU supports democratic party issues for the most part. I don't know what information to extrapolate from that fact.

Well, let's see.

Civil liberties:
I think it is okay to burn an American flag, so long as you don't burn MY American flag.

Open government:
The ACLU believes that the Freedom of Information Act is a good tool to peer into the working of our government. I agree.

Freedom of Speech:
Some Republicans have, recently, been known to attempt to curtail criticism of executive policy for various reasons (wartime, patriotism, etc) but I think that it should always be okay to criticize policy. My friends kept telling me to shut up when I was complaining about Clinton's little "Wag the Dog" adventure in Kosovo. They also are tired of hearing me complain about Iraq policy.

-Alex
45 posted on 06/03/2005 12:00:13 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: melancholy

Modern conservatives are obviously in favor of civil liberties protection and free speech, but I favor the democratic approach to these issues at this moment.

The democratic party has shortcomings surrounding monetary issues, so i favor the conservative party on those matters.

Does that make sense? I really do want to be understood.

-Alex


46 posted on 06/03/2005 12:04:13 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
Alex, you are seriously mis guided in your attempts to defend the ACLU for ANYTHING it has done.

THey are the single most un-American, racist and restrictive organization in America (possibly with the exception of the Greens).

They are not FOR Liberty but the repression of liberty.
47 posted on 06/03/2005 12:05:08 PM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: LittleAlex

Please don't: concede points I haven't made - that's called changing the subject.

Please do: answer the question.


48 posted on 06/03/2005 12:05:48 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: LittleAlex
But their stance on the second amendment wipes out any good that they might have done and then some. And that's before we tally their universal, no exceptions stand on Christian culture in American public life.

The second amendment is America's first freedom. Anyone who fails to understand this is a political liability waiting to happen. The ACLU actively works against the second amendment. They're forging our chains as we speak.

49 posted on 06/03/2005 12:07:18 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: b.crinton
You have to admit, it is very clever. Organization that proclaims itself as defendant of Civil Rights. These two words in America would protect you like a magic shield behind which you can do anything you want.
50 posted on 06/03/2005 12:08:43 PM PDT by Neocon Shavuz
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To: John Filson

I totally agree. The ability to own and use firearms is a BASIC AMERICAN RIGHT. I will never waver on my belief in that regard. If someone else wishes not to own guns, that is their choice, but I will not relinquish mine.

-Alex


51 posted on 06/03/2005 12:10:50 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: Neocon Shavuz

It's the French idea of rights: they come from the whims of people and their organizations. The notion that rights are inborn and come from above is foreign to them. It's far too radical for their tastes. After all, their goal is to put the government in charge of rights.


52 posted on 06/03/2005 12:10:51 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
"However much you may dislike them, their ability to protect those who have no voice is the true purpose of lawyers."

Where in God's good GD heel did you ever get that idea??

Total BS. The ability to protect is the bane of lawyers and most people need protection FROM lawyers.

"And if ANYONE on freerepublic believes state action without Federal oversight is a good thing, perhaps I should rethink my involvement.."

Start rethinking now.
53 posted on 06/03/2005 12:11:49 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: LittleAlex
Please stop crying.

The responses are warranted,
unless of course you think that you can come into this forum and be obtuse enough to promote the ACLU, irrespective of your nonsense about there being a dime of difference regarding those rather fake issues that you repeatedly cite.

Go away.

54 posted on 06/03/2005 12:16:43 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

Okay, no crying.

Demonstrate the "fakeness" of the issues.


55 posted on 06/03/2005 12:17:58 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: LittleAlex
First: did you read the link I gave you? Don't avoid to answer what you wrote on another thread about Bush's "impeachment".

Modern conservatives are obviously in favor of civil liberties protection and free speech, but I favor the democratic approach to these issues at this moment.

Civil liberties? If it weren't for the Republicans, blacks wouldn't have had the right to vote for a long time. Ask LBJ who thanked the Republicans for supporting him by passing the The Act and ending the KKK democrat filibuster in which KKK Byrd took part!

The democratic party has shortcomings surrounding monetary issues, so i favor the conservative party on those matters.

Guess what? The Republicans are running a large deficit nowadays because of the Clinton recession followed by 9/11 and the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The tax cuts got the economy on track with all the DUmmies voting against it. The war is going well against a spread out enemy in civilian clothes while the patriotic Dems are praying (if they still know how) for much higher American casualties so they can, using your word: "berate" the Republicans. Isn't that wonderful? Dems want the White House and the Congress by stepping over our kids bodies.

Does that make sense? I really do want to be understood.

Nope, you don't make sense and if you want to be understood, please don't answer a question with a question.

56 posted on 06/03/2005 12:30:25 PM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: LittleAlex
I do think it is important to fight creation of large databases for tracking and identifying every citizen regardless of criminal offense. The ACLU has make some inroads into curbing the TSA in their ill-conceiv

you truly are either a troll or naive. Don't doubt for one nanosecond that if some evil leftist took absolute power in this country the ACLU would be in heaven. The ACLU would have no problem with tracking all "right wingers" and liberty minded people. The ACLU is pure evil. The ACLU has NO redeeming factors. The ACLU has absolute no regard for the U.S. Constitution. The ACLU is out to destroy this Republic. It anyone thinks otherwise, they are fools. You truly don't have a clue about evil forces in this world.

57 posted on 06/03/2005 12:30:45 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: liberty2004

Dittos!!

The attack on fundamentalism is underway by calling muslim extremists "fundamentals", thereby making the connection.

It is a clear intentional plan they have in place and unfortunately the liberals and the media play right into their hands.
They have managed to promote individual human rights as "freedom and democracy" forgetting that this is a republic. They have gotten the masses so stirred up with their anti-bible claims of "intolerance" that people don't even recognize the difference between right and wrong. No rules = mass chaos and an eventual fall from power.


58 posted on 06/03/2005 12:32:13 PM PDT by jackv
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To: LittleAlex
Normally, I don't debate persistent trolls because they already know and are just throwing bombs, but you are too easy.
Your blather about so called issues such as civil liberties protection, free speech,and open government are manufactured talking points.

Christ, you sound like Howard Dean.

There isn't ten cents worth of difference among most Americans on those fundamental issues, no matter how much the MSM and various organizations also with an anti capitalist bent insist that there are.

Divide and conquer works very well
59 posted on 06/03/2005 12:34:04 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: LittleAlex
[ Seems harsh. Extreme statements like that usually indicate to me that more investigation is in order. Life is not black and white, in my experience. Mostly grey, I have found. ]

I see.. so you are a naif.. You're wrong.. sometimes life "IS" black or white.. Pulling black or white from lifes menu is stealing two of "lifes" options.. Grey is only only one option.. And by the way (me being an artist) there are a million forms/tints of grey.. also many tints of white and black too..

It is possible that something can be completely wrong.. like Socialism.. which is slavery by government.. which can be voted into being, by naifs like yourself.. or merely taken by Coup D'Etat. There are three words not mentioned anywhere in the American Constitution.. 1) democracy.. 2) democractic.. 3) democrat.. The founders of this country hated A democracy because its MOB RULE.. always in every iteration.. A Democracy is the disease that cause socialism, socialism is just a symptom of "a" democracy.. thats why the U.S. is NOT a democracy.. expressly and specifically..
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Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)
(i.e OR economic masterbation)..

60 posted on 06/03/2005 12:35:49 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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