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1 posted on 06/03/2005 6:12:36 AM PDT by shortstop
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well said. I am forwarding this to my boss, who hires illegals, and hope I dont get replaced....but at least i know it wont be by an illegal, they can't do my job... but they can do the jobs in the shop, the hard labor...


2 posted on 06/03/2005 6:18:01 AM PDT by groovejedi
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Americans will pick lettuce and fry fries and clean toilets and pave roads and milk cows.

Only if they paid $9.50 an hour with medical and dental benefits!

3 posted on 06/03/2005 6:19:21 AM PDT by Bommer
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That, and quit using the brute force of the Federal government to take money away from people who work to give to people who won't work.


4 posted on 06/03/2005 6:19:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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It all seems hopelessly intertwined now. Employers are seduced by cheap labor; illegals by desire for a better life irregardless; politicians by creating an endless mess they can control (and, of course, profit from).

How do you unscramble scrambled eggs?


6 posted on 06/03/2005 6:23:44 AM PDT by avenir (Don't insult my intelligentness!)
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[[The damage done to American strength and American prosperity by the combination of illegal workers and illegal bosses is incalculable. The love of money and the putting of profit over patriotism is a glaring moral indictment of the people who hire illegal aliens.]]

Our political leaders have sold us out by not enforcing the laws already on the books and by turning a blind eye to this illegal "reconquesta" invasion by corrupt Mexico.


7 posted on 06/03/2005 6:23:58 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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This is proof that the Republican Party isn't truly capitalist. Illegal and other sources of foreign labor are welfare for their largest donors. Now that they're in power, they could stop it in a day -- but they don't. That the Minute Men are needed is evidence.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 6:24:27 AM PDT by John Filson
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I'm going to need employees eventually, and I dread it like nothing else; the taxes, paperwork, etc., isn't something to look forward to. I would NOT hire illegals, however, no matter what the circumstances. If I was to cheat, I'd do it All-American, by golly!


10 posted on 06/03/2005 6:27:31 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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Cudos, very well said!


12 posted on 06/03/2005 6:29:06 AM PDT by mr_hammer (I call them as I see them!)
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in kentucky we are a little short on migrate workers and they get around $15 to $20 an hour cash on construction sites.

i guess the free market works for them here. i wonder how pissed they will be when the new batch of migrates show up and drive their price down?


13 posted on 06/03/2005 6:30:35 AM PDT by postaldave (smile, your mom was pro-life.)
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I had a home built a year ago, in North Texas:
Americans built it - there was no Spanish on the job site, but neither did I pay more than the going rate for construction labor around here.

Now that it's complete, an American picks up my garbage.

An American mows my grass.

And if you went down to "the gazebo" to hire some day-labor, you'd find that nobody there will work for less than $10 an hour!


14 posted on 06/03/2005 6:31:24 AM PDT by Redbob
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Well, I have seen quite a few illegals around here, and they are working in gas stations, construction, as auto mechanics, store clerks, etc. and yes, americans WILL do those jobs, we dont need illegals to do them. We have american born people who will gladly put a new roof on your house, or fix your car. Why would anyone think no american would do those jobs?


15 posted on 06/03/2005 6:32:42 AM PDT by SandyB
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I was talking to a fellow a while back who said he was getting in the electrical field because he couldn't survive as a residential construction contractor any more. He'd been a contractor for 15 years who used only American laborers. He told me that the illegal crews not only undercut his bids, but they'd also supply every nail on the project. The only local area of construction that he could see to escape this was electrical. This is in the state of Alabama. 15 years ago, about the only Hispanic folks you ever saw here were some seasonal produce workers. This fellow told me that now not only is he seeing Americans working Mexicans, but he's seen some 100% Mexican crews. Even the contractors are Hispanic.


17 posted on 06/03/2005 6:35:50 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered (Ann Coulter/ Mark Levin tag team in '08)
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Bravo! Encore!

And just to re-iterate a very important point made above:

"Anybody who employs an illegal alien is a crook. And a traitor. And a backstabber."

If you employ illegal aliens, you are breaking the law AND contributing to a major problem in our society.

18 posted on 06/03/2005 6:37:31 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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You know, I did most of the jobs illegals do now when I was working my way through school. The difference, of course, is that I didn't have to pass half my earnings on to some crew boss because it was either that or worry about being deported. Or does anyone really believe that employers of illegals "pass the savings on to you"?

This is a nice, succinct article.


19 posted on 06/03/2005 6:38:52 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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When I was 16 years old I needed some money so I helped this old farmer who lived nearby bale up a field of hay. We baled it up, walked along the side of the trailer throwing the bales up onto the trailer. At the end of the day after back breaking labor involving stacking said hay into a barn I was given 15 bucks to carry home. If they don't wanna do that kind of work they should feel just as free as I did to do something else for a living.
20 posted on 06/03/2005 6:41:01 AM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (Fish...Eat...Sleep...Redux)
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PS - every time you hire an illegal, you are subsidizing the Mexico Inertia Movement, an oligarchy committed to keeping that country oppressive, abusive and corrupt. Why should they change if they have a big safety valve for discontents called the American border?


22 posted on 06/03/2005 6:42:06 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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Who says crime does not pay?????


26 posted on 06/03/2005 7:05:53 AM PDT by mr_hammer (I call them as I see them!)
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And "one entry accounting" economic illiteracy strikes again.

The worker can walk by the lettuce picking job if it pays less than $10 an hour, sure. But the housewife can walk by the $5 head of lettuce at the supermarket, too. If the housewife demands $2 heads of lettuce, the lettuce rots, nobody wants it, there is no $10 an hour job.

Workers half what their actual efforts are worth, in a welfare state economy. Because the cost to the employer is half again the nominal wage (for employer side taxes and mandatory insurance of this and that stripe), and the worker pays a third of the nominal part to the government. All productive people are producing twice what they are given, to support the unproductive ones. But this is just as true for families with kids, people with medical problems, old people, etc. Whether legal citizens or not.

No activity is performed in such a society unless the worker's efforts add real value, to twice the extent of what he demands in return for his work. Increasing what he demands does not increase what he receives. It just prevents the job being done at all, as soon as the amount demanded passes the line, half what it is worth to the end consumer (with all other costs along the way included).

The economic thing that can increase what he receives is not any state of his demand for compensation or unwillingness to do this or that job for less. But only what the real value of his effort is, to others - end consumers. If he doubles that his wage can double. If he just doubles his demand, it isn't bargaining any more, it is a deal breaker, and there simply is no deal. The work does not exist to do, because it fails to add more value than it costs, with the massive overhead of a welfare society wedged between one and the other.

The only other thing that can increase real effective wages, is a reduction in the size of that welfare and tax wedge. If the government and unproductive people take only a third instead of half, pay for the productive can go up. The way you do that is reduce government spending.

It doesn't much matter, spending on who or what. You and I can agree or disagree about which things are worthy or not, but whatever mix we hit on has some overall size and cost. And that overall size determines the width of the wedge, between what consumers think our efforts are worth, and what we actually get.

The reason to oppose illegal immigration is because it is illegal, disorderly, spreads scoff law behavior in other respects, acts as a barrier to assilimation, etc. Not because it skins the rest of us, any more than the welfare state in general does. There is every reason to disallow welfare payments of any kind to illegals. There is also good economic reason to shrink the welfare state wherever possible.

But not because men can increase their pay simply by refusing to work for less. That does not increase their pay, it just results in less being done overall.

27 posted on 06/03/2005 7:12:33 AM PDT by JasonC
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Seems to me that "Mexicans only do work that Americans don't" is about as racist a statement as you can say.

It's the equivalent of saying that Mexicans are the "n!ggers" of the 21st century.

Those who advocate employment of illegal immigrants for this reason may come across as sympathetic, but are in fact labeling them as lower caste plantation workers.



I lived in Mexico for about a year, and know that my Mexican friends were of no less worth than any other nationality. That said, we absolutely do need to enforce our immigration laws....


30 posted on 06/03/2005 7:24:32 AM PDT by Theo
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You just have to pay them what the work is truly worth.

The work is only worth what a willing customer will pay a willing supplier.

I thought he would have learned this in school or on the job. It is surprising what passes for education these days ...

32 posted on 06/03/2005 7:27:38 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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