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To: quidnunc

Inevitable?

How so?

Perhaps 6.5% of the population of the Republic are of Muslim origin (which is not the same thing as being Muslim).

Of them, most are born in France. They are French. And most are only of Muslim origin, and vaguely Muslim. They are secular with Muslim traditions, just as many millions more French are secular with Christian traditions. There are almost as many blacks in France as people of Muslim origin, and the blacks are mostly Catholic in origin, and are growing at the same rate as those of Muslim origin.

France's population is expected to grow from approximately 59 million to approximately 75 million by 2025. Of this 16 million people, perhaps a fifth will be immigrants from other European countries and their children. The other 80% will be blacks from the DOM and Africa, or people of Muslim origin. People of Muslim origin will constitute only 40% of the growth of 16 million, which means 6.4 million, increasing the share of the population of this origin from perhaps 7.5% to perhaps 15%. The blacks will grow by the same numbers, however. And most of these people of Muslim origin will be secular and French by culture, not Islamist fanatics.

Already, the population of the United States is 11% black and 13% Hispanic, and this will increase much more rapidly than the percentage of people of Muslim origin in France.

And yet no-one speaks of America becoming Mexico Norte.

There will be more Muslims in France, to be sure, but there will even more secular people of Muslim origin in France. And they will not be interested in creating Eurabia.


19 posted on 06/01/2005 5:06:26 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Mears

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20 posted on 06/01/2005 5:14:23 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: Vicomte13
And yet no-one speaks of America becoming Mexico Norte.

You are wrong there, at least for the south-west of the USA (which is bigger than France). You must have missed the brouhaha about the billboard that said "Los Angeles, Mexico".

22 posted on 06/01/2005 5:20:21 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Vicomte13
And yet no-one speaks of America becoming Mexico Norte.

You don't get out much do you?

26 posted on 06/01/2005 5:31:57 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Vicomte13
I value your contributions to FR on matters French - your views seem to be both informed and balanced. I am curious, however, about your statement that "perhaps 6.5 percent" of the French population is of Muslim origin. I believe that the official census deliberately omits collection of any such information. I have seen estimates as low as 5 percent and as high as 20 percent. Does anyone in France really know how many Moslems (or people of Moslem origin) are in the country?
32 posted on 06/01/2005 6:28:01 PM PDT by Malesherbes (uestion)
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To: Vicomte13

And yet no-one speaks of America becoming Mexico Norte.

You must not read at this site very often, illegal immigration (from all countries) and lack of assimilation are often discussed.

Do you have any reason why your statistics of Muslim population vary so much from those often read? Wasn't there a demonstration recently where Muslims attacked French citizens?


39 posted on 06/01/2005 8:11:35 PM PDT by gogipper
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To: Vicomte13

As I am sure you already know, there is no such thing as a "secular muslim".

Those who bend towards the black rock, do not believe in separation of church and state.

As to "secular" folks of "muslim origin", in the main, they approach life with the same basic cultural templates as their ancestors did.

That is a human thing.

islam's, theology and cultural norms/values, are the sources of islam's conflict with the entire non-islamic world.


43 posted on 06/01/2005 9:01:19 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (moderate islam is minority islam)
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