Young Russian woman likely to be jailed for being raped (and killing her attacker)

Pravda ^ | May 27, 2005 | Pravda

[followerofchrist]

"If I didn't know better I'd think this was a Muslim court."

In Islamic law, a woman who kills her rapist has committed a lawful act of self-defense and will not be charged with homicide. If she dies while fighting her rapist, she is considered a martyr.

This, of course, differs depending on the nation or region.
Also, some regions still have pre-Islamic laws regarding penalty for rape. A rape against a woman who "belongs" to a another man or a tribe brings the death penalty in many cases because it is a crime against the husband and or tribe.

If you read the old testament you will see similar sexist laws. The Muslims in large part still abide by those barbaric laws. Read your bible, you will find out I am right about this.

[tahotdog]

Probably a randon car. This is quite common in Russia. I used to do it all the time.

It's just real hard to believe that Russia would have gotten to the point at which most people had cars by now. I'd expect this to be common.

[KittyKares]

I thought there had to other male witnesses before they would believe a woman over a male.

[FairOpinion]

"The woman quarreled with her husband that day and went to one of Moscow's parks to calm down and think about her family life. On her way home, the woman decided to flag down a car. The first driver was able to take the woman home only halfway. Alexandra Ivannikova had to stop another car. Instead of taking the woman to her address, the young driver, named only as Sergei B., stopped the car in a dark side street and asked the woman to perform oral sex on him. "

It was certainly not very good judgment to hitchhike, but she had a fight with her husband, so apparently she wasn't at her best. Also, you can't turn around and blame the victim. I agree that people shouldn't hitchhike, because you never know who picks you up, but that is no excuse for trying to rape and perhaps even murder a hitchhiker.

[KittyKares]

"In cases of adultery, shari'ah resorts to particularly drastic measures. Rape creates an especially difficult burden of proof for the victim. Shari'ah law only provides for punishment in cases of adultery, if both parties admit to have committed the "crime". If this is not the case, four independent witnesses have to be found; however, the witnesses must be male. In cases of rape, shari'ah rules that a rapist is to be punished with 100 lashes, if unmarried, or with death by stoning, if married, since this would then constitute adultery.

A pregnancy as a result of rape first of all counts as evidence of adultery committed by the woman. The rape victim then has to prove that she really was raped. In case the man - which is very likely - denies that he has raped the woman, the woman has to name four male witnesses to prove the rape. In case the woman does not find these four male witnesses - which again is very likely - she will be charged with slander.

For the crime of slander, shari'ah prescribes a punishment of 80 lashes. On top of that, the woman will be charged with adultery, and is thus threatened with the death penalty, if she is married. In case, she is unmarried, the "adultery" counts as immoral behaviour and is punished with 100 lashes. This is at least what the criminal code of January 2000 of the Nigerian state Zamfara says."

from http://www.ishr.org/activities/campaigns/stoning/adultery.htm

[putupjob]

I am happy the sex demanding idiot is dead.

[followerofchrist]

Hi Kitty: It seems there are many different aspects to rape law in Islam, and it depends on what nation you are raped and if anyone saw. In Pakistan, you can rape a woman if no more than three male Muslims watch! But if you do it in front of four, they will no longer give you mere lashes, they will whip you, the stone you to death. Lesson: If you want to rape a woman, go to Pakistan, but only bring three of your friends to watch or join in.

The Old Testament says a rapist must pay the father some shekels and marry his victim. Wow, how lucky these ladies must have been in the days that the Old Testament laws were in effect.

[Politicalmom]

A REAL "Follower of Christ" does NOT denigrate the Bible.

[KittyKares]

Three's company, four's a crowd. Sheesh. I'm glad I'm in the good old USA. Let's not import some of those weird values.

[followerofchrist]

"A REAL "Follower of Christ" does NOT denigrate the Bible."
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

A real follower of Christ does not denigrate women and other human beings, and adheres to the New Covenant and recognizes the spirit of Christ is good and pure. The below passages do not resonate as Christ-like in my heart:

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO QUESTION THIS BECAUSE I AM A CHRISTIAN?

I never claimed to be an orthodox Christian, or a bible literalist. I just can't find these evil things in the New Testament, which I actually read, along with the Old. Far too many Christians do not even read the OT, yet defend it.
The OT is an historical record of the laws, and actions of
the people in those days. As a follower of Christ, I follow what HE said, not the Old Testament laws. I am merely pointing out that crimes against women were considered crimes against men. Women had few rights until Christianity, unless in the context of being someone's property. Those laws are still in effect in the Muslim world.

[familyop]

"I don't understand why they are even charging her."

Feminism is only a vehicle to socialism--a "useful idiot." After feminism's use has passed, eventually, men can get "the milk without buying the cow" in more ways than one.

"Then it will be plain that the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and that this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society" (Frederick Engels, "Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State").

Mao's Little Red Book on Women
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Mao/Mao-31-Women.html

Some of Lenin's words on women
http://www.marx.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/nov/06.htm

The following is from the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" (Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Fredrick Engels)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

"The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women."

He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce free love; it has existed almost from time immemorial."

“Everyone who knows anything of history also knows that great social revolutions are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of the fair sex (plain ones included)” (Karl Marx Letter to Ludwig Kugelmann, MECW, Volume 43, p. 184, http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1868/letters/68_12_12.htm)

[Cowboy Bob]

It's just real hard to believe that Russia would have gotten to the point at which most people had cars by now.

They are still a long way off from having "two cars in every garage." Most people live in apartments, so those with cars find parking to be a headache.

[ahayes]

I know you mean well, but should't the admonishment be: "All you guys out there, don't rape."

I think that would be about as effective at reducing rape as gun control is at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. :-)

[joesnuffy]

When the State thinks it owns YOU and all other human beings

You are property of the state..and when you harm another piece of property of the state you rob the state of it's property and it's right to do with it's property what it will...

Anyone who harms state property (except of course in state sanctioned matters) must be punished.

[trussell]

I use to hitchhike often...it was the main way I got from where I was living, back home for the holidays...and then back to where I lived. I was propositioned one time. Scared the hell out of me!

I took a bus after that!

[Larry Lucido]

Btw, all girls out there, and fellows too, don't hitchhike.

I know you mean well, but should't the admonishment be: "All you guys out there, don't rape."

No, I think jcon307 had it right. His audience is comprised significantly more of potential hitchhikers than potential rapists.

[Luke21]

You are exactly right. Our "betters" have a real fear of us proles.

[Politicalmom]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:16-18

Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Just because YOU don't understand a portion of the Bible, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a lesson to teach Christians.

[af_vet_1981]

Not Guilty By Reason of Righteousness

Give Her a Medal

[followerofchrist]

Politicalmom: There are many things about the bible many do not understand. But what I do understand is that there was a great deal of "editing" of God's word. We do not have the original OT. We ASSUME that the bible was not tinkered with, but in FACT, the Epistle of Barnabus was included in the first known bible, in a museum in England.
Also, we don't even know who the authors are, and there are many written documents not in the bible which witness the words and deeds of Christ. "Religion" is man made, and
in my opinion, a means to control people. Spirituality is a relationship with God.

You are right, I do not "understand" rape, pillage, selling daughters, screwing daughters, killing women who were raped, genocide, sacrifices, slavery, slaughtering babies and pregnant women, or murdering all males in a village and taking the females as "booty." I do not believe many parts of the Old testament are God's word.

My God is kind and loving. All I know is that Jesus answered me when I called out to Him, in a very specific way. That does not mean that my questioning of horrible OT passages make me a non-Christian. The bible lays out what is required. I cannot go back now to unbeleif and atheism, so I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I detest the Old Testament and find it quite unChristian. That doesn't mean my heart is not with Christ.

Since man put the bible together, and altered it over the years, am I to believe that everything in the OT now was in there when Jesus said what He did? Jesus' words and deeds totally contradict these *evil* passages I quoted. I believe Jesus over the OT "prophets". My heroes are His disciples, not people like Lot who offered his virgin daughters to a rape mob, and who, after his wife was killed, slept with his own daughters. SICK!! I do not believe that is rightous, and if my God thinks it is, then He is not my God after all. But He wriote the truth on my heart, and my heart and instincts say the evil in the OT was not inspired by my Lord.