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Employers of Illegal Immigrants Face Little Risk of Penalty
LOS ANGELES TIMES ^ | May 29, 2005 | Anna Gorman

Posted on 05/29/2005 4:36:23 AM PDT by kellynla

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Owner George Garcia insists that they provide proof, such as Social Security or green cards, that they are authorized to work. What he does not do is pick up the phone to see if the documents are phony.

"I run a business," he said. "Why is it my job to kick people out? It is not my responsibility to figure out who is legal and who is not legal. It's their job to stop them at the border."

Garcia doesn't worry about being fined or arrested by immigration authorities. Even if federal agents did raid his Los Angeles carwash and arrest his undocumented workers, it wouldn't take long to replace them.

"If I lost 20 guys," he said, "within a couple of days I'd have new guys."

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About 7 million illegal immigrants worked in the U.S. last year, said the Pew Hispanic Center, a research organization.

"I don't think any average restaurant owner or farmer is shaking in their boots," said Carl Shusterman, a Los Angeles immigration attorney who used to work for the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

"We've seen an effective end to work-site enforcement," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington. "To whatever degree there is enforcement, the only people on the receiving end of it are the illegals, because there are no fines of employers, practically none."

Even when a fine is levied, it often is settled for "cents on the dollar," said Kevin Jeffery, a deputy special agent in charge with Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
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"From 1993 to 2003, the number of arrests at work sites nationwide went from 7,630 to 445. The number of fines dropped from 944 in 1993 to 124 in 2003."

Just as I thought. The GWB and the Clinton administration before it are not enforcing the immigration laws. When will Americans file a class action lawsuit against the federal government for failing to do it's job? Secure the borders and deport the illegals! Ike did it, so can Bush. Semper Fi, Kelly

1 posted on 05/29/2005 4:36:23 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Jail time is what the penalty should be. Throw a few in jail, and it will stop.


2 posted on 05/29/2005 4:38:08 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: kellynla
The immigration laws are being enforced with a nod and a wink. And law-abiding employers are placed at a competitive disadvantage. No sirrah, illegal immigration isn't beneficial and the money is off the books. Our government doesn't collect a dime of it. Ain't America great at being the sucker of chumps or what?

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 05/29/2005 4:43:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kellynla

A good place to start would be with the payroll deposits. Even the smalles businesses are required to deposit and report quarterly-- employees and social security numbers. It takes less than 2 minutes to run name and number matches. Duplicate names and numbers or name and number mismatches trigger a visit from ICE. No filings trigger a visit from the IRS. A 0.25% tax on outgoing wire transfers to Latin America (some of which are actually less than wire transfers within the United States!) would finance such a program. Fines for employers who violate the law would finance completion of a much needed wall along our southern border.


4 posted on 05/29/2005 4:45:41 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: kellynla

Turn the IRS loose on them. Make wages paid to illegal aliens non-deductible for employers. If employers get caught cheating on their taxes, throw them in jail. It's the American solution.


5 posted on 05/29/2005 4:46:43 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: TXBSAFH
"I run a business," he said. "Why is it my job to kick people out? It is not my responsibility to figure out who is legal and who is not legal. It's their job to stop them at the border."

My company has a foundry in KC MO which employs between 900 - 1000 people. About 4 weeks ago the INS said it wanted to come into HR and check employment records. The next day 106 employees never showed up for work. While the company fulfilled its obligation demanding documentation what they didn't know is that such docu were forgeries.

So what is your plan? Shut down the plant for a period of time leaving the remaining 800 or so employees without jobs? Imprison the HR dept. for not being trained in being able to identify forged documents over legit. documents? Given the constant personnel changeover there it is unlikely anyone in HR was even involved in hiring any of the illegals.

We have since sent down one of our guys from our corp. headquarters to help in the hiring of now 200 employees and within a week, of the 40 people he had already hired, 20 had quit because they couldn't take working in the typical environment found in a foundry........

6 posted on 05/29/2005 4:51:25 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't hold it against me because I shot the SOB. I'm tired of dealing with stupid people!)
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To: TXBSAFH

Lots of things could be done...
only problem is, GWB is not willing to do any of them...


7 posted on 05/29/2005 4:53:38 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Hot Tabasco

If you hire illegal you should go to jail. Period end of statement. There are leagal citizens out there who want work hire them. And as for the working conditions a foundery is cake walk compared to a refinery. I know. And down here they line up around the block for those jobs.


8 posted on 05/29/2005 4:55:30 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: goldstategop

I would like to see the state of CA and other border states like NM,AZ and TX sue the feds for the BILLIONS of dollars that it is costing us to allow illegals to stay here. No reason for us to foot the tab because of the fed's failures and incompetency!


9 posted on 05/29/2005 4:56:07 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

I like GWB, ut immigration is one area where I am VERY disappointed in him.


10 posted on 05/29/2005 4:56:13 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: TXBSAFH

ut = but


11 posted on 05/29/2005 4:56:32 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: kellynla
"It is not my responsibility to figure out who is legal and who is not legal."

Maybe he'd take a different atttitude if a Minuteman type group started drawing attention to his business. Drawing a lot of attemtion by protesting, as well as by reporting known offenders and pushing an investigation could make it at least a little harder for them to continue their criminal business operations. And where are the lawmakers on this issue? Busy feathering their own nests; that's where. They don't give a d**n about America or the people they are suppose to be serving.

12 posted on 05/29/2005 4:57:12 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: kellynla
It is not my responsibility to figure out who is legal and who is not legal. It's their job to stop them at the border."

I'll be sure to use that excuse with BATFE when I start selling semi-automatic handguns to illegal aliens. "Hey, it's not my job to know whether who is legal and not legal."

OK, weak analogy I know. By the way, in case any BATFE agents read this, no actual laws were broken in the creation of this weak attempt at satire.

13 posted on 05/29/2005 4:57:21 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Vigilanteman

"A good place to start would be with the payroll deposits"

A good place to start would be the border! LOL

"It takes less than 2 minutes to run name and number matches"

Well as the article points out, employers have no incentive to check the numbers since the feds are not enforcing the immigration laws anyway.


14 posted on 05/29/2005 4:59:16 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Bernard

"Turn the IRS loose on them."

That's funny!
We can't even get the INS to do it's job and you want the IRS to get involved. Heck they can't even give ANYONE a straight answer over the phone about filing their tax returns. LMAO


15 posted on 05/29/2005 5:02:04 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: TXBSAFH

"I am VERY disappointed in him."

well one more 9/11 type terrorist attack and you are going to be a heck-of-a-lot more than "VERY disappointed!"


16 posted on 05/29/2005 5:04:52 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

One of my biggest fears with the open border is that you can get a whole lot of terrorist coming through Mexico and we would not know about it until Americans start dying. We need to stop illegal immigration now.


17 posted on 05/29/2005 5:07:33 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: kellynla
Just as an FYI, American Apparel out of LA is one of the biggest abusers of our immigration laws. The owner has said on numerous occasions that he does not care if his workers are illegal or not. But of course our traitorist Politicians turn a blind eye to his company.

For those that want to do a little research it's americanapparel.net, notice under employee information that they offer English as a second language, this alone should tell you quite a bit about the company. So, now how do we get the corrupt political whores do a check on them?

18 posted on 05/29/2005 5:11:25 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: JustAnAmerican

"So, now how do we get the corrupt political whores do a check on them?"

Start putting forth our own candidates and replacing the politicians who refuse to do their jobs!


19 posted on 05/29/2005 5:13:42 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Not for long. Sooner or later some government official is going to decide they are losing too much tax revenue from illegals being employed covertlt and there will be literally hell to pay.
20 posted on 05/29/2005 5:25:51 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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